Longmen Pai Training Information?, Any Sources Online?

I was wondering if anyone here had any basic information about longmen pai, and what its training and levels entail.

I'm working on a translation of the Ling Bao Bi Fa levels of cultivation. Not finished yet but here is the gist of it:

The main categories are broken down into Yin Xian Fa and Ling Bao Bi Fa.

Yin Xian Fa is broken into Huan Yuan, Bu Lou, and Zhu Ji.
Yin Xian Fa (引仙法) literally translates as Pulling Toward Immortality Methods.
Huan Yuan (还原) means going back to the origin. This stage involves mostly correcting the posture, collecting the mind and regulating the breath.
Bu Lou (补漏) means to fix the leaks.
Zhu Ji (筑基) means to build the foundation.
The goal of Yin Xian Fa is to Lian Shen She Qi (炼身摄气) or to practice the body and absorb and contain the Qi. Completing of this state leaves the body full of Qi, returning to the energy levels of a 14-16 year old. From this foundation the student begins the real practice of Ling Bao Bi Fa.

Ling Bao Bi Fa (灵宝毕法) is broken down into Ren Xian Fa, Di Xian Fa, and Tian Xian Fa.
Ren Xian Gong (人仙功) the Human Immortal Methods. This stage involves transforming Jing into Qi
Di Xian Gong (地仙功) the Earthly Immortal Methods. This stage involves transforming Qi into Shen.
Tian Xian Gong (天仙功) The Heavenly Immortal Methods. This stage involves returning Shen to the void.

Accomplishing the Yin Xian Fa in itself is no small feat, but it's not hard, it just requires dedication. I know it's Yin Xian Fa methods that are being taught at WLP and Shen Laoshi's seminars. I also assume David S Versedi's Foundation Training is a method of Yin Xian Fa from the sounds of it. Incidentally, the marriage of Yin and Yang that DSV wrote about accomplishing a while ago and being the first westerner to ever do it is the first step of Ren Xian Gong

This post has been edited by 松永道: Sep 27 2008, 10:38 PM

Wow, thank you for the translation, It's been a long time that i've been waiting to read "Ling Bao Bi Fa".

Amazing...when will it be finished?

Well, it will be some years before I have the necessary foundation to do a proper translation the actual Ling Bao Bi Fa text (which starts with Ren Xian Gong, the Human Immortal Methods). For now, I'm just translating the outline, from Yin Xian Fa through the Ling Bao Bi Fa, focusing on the Yin Xian Fa because that's where I and most of us here are at.

The Yin Xian Fa is actually not a used alone as single practice but rather as a central practice to coordinate other qigong practices like taijiquan, zhan zhuang, sleeping cultivation, walking cultivation, sun and moon cultivation, etc. Yin Xian Fa basically helps transform these qigong practices into neigong practices, meaning that it transforms the post-natal qi developed through qigong into pre-natal qi that will later act as the foundation for the Ling Bao Bi Fa methods.

My first draft translation will more or less be a direct translation of the Chinese with little explanation. The book I am drawing most of my information from, written by Shen Zhigang (Shen Laoshi), mostly discusses the Ling Bao Bi Fa methods and theory with little explanation of the Yin Xian Fa practices. Basically it lists the names of the practices without additional definition. And as I myself have not mastered the Yin Xian Fa, I believe it would be irresponsible for me to fill in the gaps with my own experience. So I'll basically just translate the levels and methods as outlined by Shen Zhigang and revised by Wang Liping in 《钟吕传道集注译·灵宝毕法注译》 and leave it at that for now. First draft should be done soon enough.

Please let us all know when you publish it or release it online?

regards
Spirit ape

I decided to Google translate a section:

The first law Shouxin sit-in
Practitioners of Gong practitioners to gain the upper hand, in a quiet room, transportation, housing, sitting, lying all along been intended, sit cross-legged take-safe, natural breathing, eyes closed, repentance. Request Shouxin turn a blind eye, on top of the tongue palate, who stressed that interest rates, quiet emptiness of God, separate five fingers, palms down, on his knees. Request to do with vision, setting rhyme ears, tongue seal gas, listen to the heart rate, breathing natural harmony for the four images.

In order to the universe itself to the world as a heart and kidney, sit cross-legged mind when the request would like nothing, empty, empty million are forgotten, ignored without thinking, without listening to no consideration, no there will be no welcome, no there is no outside.

Nerd alert: Has anyone seen the new Battlestar Galactica? This reminds of how the baseship cylons hybrids talk. Jumbled and cryptic but you can just barely discern the meaning underneath. This is the first step of the first level of Yin Xian Fa by-the-way.

This post has been edited by 松永道: Sep 28 2008, 01:16 AM

Oh gosh! That is so true! Google is just the first evolutionary step of the hybrid!

You are doing a great service to all as the Lingbao is a central text to many transmissions including Longmen of course.

If you read french there is a very early translation made by Farzeen Baldrian Hussein in 1984. I haven't touched the book in more than 20 years but as I recall, although there were a number of issue with the translation, it was altogether of great help for those unable to read the original version.

Here is the Book Review originally written by Livia Kohn

http://www.nanzan-u.ac.jp/SHUBUNKEN/public...fs/pdf/a547.pdf

I am not sure if the book is still in print thou

YM

Wow that is awesome! I look forward to your translation. Thank you.

Ya, thanks 松永道!

BTW, there's supposedly an issue of Empty Vessel detailing WLP's methods. But still don't know which one it is, though???

Dear Song Yongdao,

Very useful information on Longmenpai teachings,

Thank you

Metin

Thanks, though aside from my high-school French that came out like clogs in a pipe when I started learning Chinese, I think I'll be out of luck with the French translation. No matter, the Chinese texts I have are good, it's only my personal experience that's lacking, but one thing I took from Kohn's review is maybe that's not a bad thing. Seems the strong point of Hussein's translation, in her opinion, was the relative lack of interpretation. Why rename the Hun dragon animus, the Po tiger anima? To do so limits them to the scope of another philosophical system. I really respect Yang Jwingming's style, he prints the original text, then translates it more or less directly, then he gives his analysis. Agree or disagree with his analysis, you still have the direct translation and original text to look to.

Thanks for you support everyone, just doing what I can in service of Dao. If we all do what we can, maybe mother nature won't decide to call an end to the human experiment just yet!

Is Dr Yangs muscle Tendon change set the real deal?

ape

I don't agree with a lot of Yang's analysis. But I really respect is scholarship.

As far as his Muscle Tendon Changing Classic goes, I wouldn't know. After all you'd need to hire a little boy, little girl, woman, and man to massage and beat you every morning and evening for three years. Muscle-tendon changing isn't so mysterious though. And the Shaolin, Taiji, Bagua, etc iron bodies certainly aren't accomplished through massage, though hitting oneself (or hitting oneself against things) does seem to be common to all methods.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y72-29g7Tes

YM