Kunlun follow up poll

[Yoda]

If you are really done with it and found something better -drop the agenda

 

 

Winpro,

 

I'm a little surprised to read this... even if I'm completely wrong and Kunlun is in no way problematic this debate is still a fruitful one to find out how people like me fail on the path, yes? That should help future teachers of Kunlun and that sort of thing.

 

Personally, I've learned more about the perspectives of both sides, which is nice. As always, if one disagrees with my perspective they can always tell me that I'm wrong and explain how and why I'm wrong and the whole debate then benefits everyone.

 

If I'm right that Kunlun has challenges, then it's good for people to know about them.

 

Either way, it's a huge win-win, yes?

 

Your pal,

Yoda

[Ya Mu]

[三江源]

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Edited July 21, 2014 by cat

[Trunk]

It surprises me that people don't know simple heavenly lineage basics to begin with, that they're disputed, or at least not explained straight-forwardly by those in 'official' positions. It's just basic, basic.

 

Look at it this way. If you went to a genuinely grace-filled Christian pastor to receive a blessing, what do you think you'd get?: Christ energy and at least a temporary doorway where you might more easily deepen your relationship with Jesus. Duh! Continue to hang out with that genuine pastor, perhaps with a bunch of other Christians, and it would facilitate the deepening of that relationship with Christ.

 

It's the same in every religion. Just swap labels and Heavenly Help Crowds.

 

That doesn't mean that you would have to stay with Christ. You could think, "oh, that was nice" and return to your Buddhist devotions and your Buddhist temple and then your mind-stream would shift to align more with Buddhist Heavens & Help.

 

Really. Folks. This is just common knowledge. Just a-b-c's.

 

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And, sure, you are partly in control. But partly, it's not all you. You could go to a Christian church every Sunday and pray to Buddha the whole time, what do you think you'd get? Some Buddha-vibe, some Christ vibe. There is power in groups. Use it with a little bit of savvy.

Edited April 12, 2009 by Trunk

[Yoda]

Ya Mu,

 

Thanks for making a cameo appearance in "As the Tao Turns"!!!

 

But you do need help and guidance if you are experiencing problems. Don't listen to dis-embodied liars. Ask for help from YOUR spiritual lineage, pray, and seek an experienced teacher if you need to.

 

Great advice!!

 

Your pal,

Yoda

[mgd]

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[mgd]

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[Guest winpro07]

..when the third ventricle balloons back open you are only a short time away from being able to intend manifestations and maybe at that time sensitive to negative projections of those around you as you teeter between your old dual state as a being who's manifestations are a result of resistance to environment to a being that simply intends. Steve, Kyle, Gloria and all else involved you guys are projecting very destructive beliefs into people who have regained their own potential to intend -preventing them from their next step

 

Have you been very much influenced by negative and destructive beliefs in the past year?

 

Can you recall from whom you received them?

 

Beliefs are how beings that cannot manifest stay plugged into a system that decides for you.

 

If you look at your beliefs closely and at all of them (there are thousands) you will see that not one of the came from you.

 

BELIEFS SHAPE YOUR REALITY and become your manifestations

 

Has anyone gained new destructive beliefs or validated old ones in reading this thread?

 

Has steve given you beliefs? why would he do that?

Edited April 12, 2009 by winpro07

[mgd]

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Edited April 13, 2009 by mgd

[Guest winpro07]

only you are responsible for your beliefs and the manifestations that come from them

 

YOU MANIFESTED PROBLEMS

[mgd]

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[Guest winpro07]

all your problems come from you not from outside your self

 

You gloria have an agenda. It is not to help others. It is to blame and ridicule

[mgd]

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Edited April 13, 2009 by mgd

[Trunk]

only you are responsible for your beliefs and the manifestations that come from them

 

YOU MANIFESTED PROBLEMS

all your problems come from you not from outside your self

This kind of thinking is just doesn't stand up to any direct observation in any area of life. "It's all me", puh! It's certainly not the integral view. You can't even take a breath without relying on plants that produced oxygen. Is there anything in your house that you created entirely? A window? A chair? Even the carpenters and artisans got materials from somewhere. Try driving down the road and freeway as if you are the only one there. Puh-leeze, let's at least test our ideas with a little observation, discernment. In this thread, are you creating it all? No. Lots participate, and we all affect eachother to varying degrees. That doesn't mean that we don't each hold our own space and have our own power, and can re-claim and cultivate good control. But as if a single individual were entirely running any show. Maybe a comforting idea, maybe nifty-sounding, but real?!?!

 

Internal world is the same. Reading this thread you had thoughts as you read people's writings. Now, you have the choice to guide and massage and manage those thoughts and come through to your own conclusions... but to pretend that others did not influence you, it's just silly. There is interaction. What you touch, touches you.

Edited April 12, 2009 by Trunk

[SiliconValley]

Winpro...

 

I told Yoda I would never post on TTB again but naw... I will do a Cameron

 

You are such an ASS. I said this before doing Kunlun and say this after a seminar with lama dorje or whatever he is: Kunlun got nothing to do with compassion, which is so very important. You are a living example of that!

 

I am glad to have gotten away from Kunlun. Releasing inner demons, keeping calm, staying in control .... yeah yeah, if I knew all that, I didn't need Kunlun, or lama dorje or a seminar. And where did he ever talk of all this in the book or seminar? Folks need to think through before getting into this shit! You seem to be a glorious example of what happens to those who mindlessly follow this dorje guy. I am sorry, but this is so frustrating to see your kind leap at mgd n yoda who r tryin to make some sense. I tried that long ago and got the same bullshit from you. If you are the perfect example of what dorje guy does to people, heaven save me! Winpro+dorje+kunlun = total lack of open mindedness and compassion? Not a great advertizement for kunlun right?

 

And a hi to all old pals...scotty, xienkula, mat black, sean, sunshine, sykkelpm, hundun, little1, yoda ... have been away for long time now! Took a few months off for a retreat and now back to see the k-word generating the same amount of buzz! lol

Edited April 12, 2009 by SiliconValley

[Cameron]

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[topflight]

Ya Mu,

Thank you so much for your insight and advice. It has helped me.

Sincerely,

Harold

 

 

 

This thread is a soap opera better than Days OF Our Lives

This is utter nonsense posted by someone with prejudice and fear. Simply not true. (referring to original poster and not starjumper) Of course there are teachers out there who don't know what they are doing or who don't care, but generalizing this isn't going to help anyone. I am neither for or against the "Kunlun". I will say I don't agree with ANY teacher that doesn't support their students. I will explain below what I think is going on.

I do not see any "agenda" in your posts. Only genuine concern.

And you should have concern - it is your life and your path.

 

I have stayed quiet about this because I DON"T practice this method nor do I know the teacher. But since most I have heard is conjecture, here is mine. Again, I neither oppose or endorse the "Kunlun" and I know nothing whatsoever about Max.

 

There are many teachers out there who have gained in Power that like to "blast open" folks energy centers to help them awaken. Does it work? Yes and No. It can certainly open folks up to "that which is real". But the problems in doing so are severalfold. Not only does it open the person to "that which is real", it ALSO opens the person to NONSENSE, dis-embodied liars, thought forms, and evil spirits. If the person has cultivated through virtue and energetics PRIOR to this, then they should be able to have some discernment. But they also need to have a powerful form of protection in the form of direct energetics and prayer. The teacher, IMO and experience, should absolutely provide these methods to the student.

 

First, a person needs a base of operation energetically which requires natural cultivation. So the better way, IMO and experience, is to help the person raise their energy body vibration rate to start a process of opening in a graceful and natural manner. Depending on who they are (spiritual lineage), this process can take a long time OR it can be very quick.

 

Lineage

Spiritual lineage does NOT come from your teacher, only LINE lineage. Look to the Spirits of Light that sit on YOUR counsel table. If you resonate extremely with a particular teaching there is a good chance that you have found a system where the spiritual lineage and line lineage coincide or are "kin". So if you feel you are being bothered or are attacked, say prayers and ask the Beings of Light who are of YOUR spiritual lineage to help. And help they will!

 

So to put it in a nutshell, IMO the folks out there practicing this method who are experiencing problems were "opened up" but way too soon and without proper protection and guidance. I don't think that Max has put any type of "worm" or "virus" nor are you being induced to do things from "spirits of his lineage". But you do need help and guidance if you are experiencing problems. Don't listen to dis-embodied liars. Ask for help from YOUR spiritual lineage, pray, and seek an experienced teacher if you need to.

 

It is time we ALL assumed responsibility and that means I and I and I and I and I...

[gendao]

Edited April 12, 2009 by vortex

[Taomeow]

Trunk,

 

thank you for being consistently real. Priceless.

[Guest winpro07]

Winpro...

 

I told Yoda I would never post on TTB again but naw... I will do a Cameron

 

You are such an ASS. I said this before doing Kunlun and say this after a seminar with lama dorje or whatever he is: Kunlun got nothing to do with compassion, which is so very important. You are a living example of that!

 

I am glad to have gotten away from Kunlun. Releasing inner demons, keeping calm, staying in control .... yeah yeah, if I knew all that, I didn't need Kunlun, or lama dorje or a seminar. And where did he ever talk of all this in the book or seminar? Folks need to think through before getting into this shit! You seem to be a glorious example of what happens to those who mindlessly follow this dorje guy. I am sorry, but this is so frustrating to see your kind leap at mgd n yoda who r tryin to make some sense. I tried that long ago and got the same bullshit from you. If you are the perfect example of what dorje guy does to people, heaven save me! Winpro+dorje+kunlun = total lack of open mindedness and compassion? Not a great advertizement for kunlun right?

 

And a hi to all old pals...scotty, xienkula, mat black, sean, sunshine, sykkelpm, hundun, little1, yoda ... have been away for long time now! Took a few months off for a retreat and now back to see the k-word generating the same amount of buzz! lol

A very compassionate response

 

 

Gloria has a lot of force and capable of manifesting anything, at any moment.

Most people will never get clear enough to create, but she can

This kind of thinking is just doesn't stand up to any direct observation in any area of life. "It's all me", puh! It's certainly not the integral view. You can't even take a breath without relying on plants that produced oxygen. Is there anything in your house that you created entirely? A window? A chair? Even the carpenters and artisans got materials from somewhere. Try driving down the road and freeway as if you are the only one there. Puh-leeze, let's at least test our ideas with a little observation, discernment. In this thread, are you creating it all? No. Lots participate, and we all affect eachother to varying degrees. That doesn't mean that we don't each hold our own space and have our own power, and can re-claim and cultivate good control. But as if a single individual were entirely running any show. Maybe a comforting idea, maybe nifty-sounding, but real?!?!

 

Internal world is the same. Reading this thread you had thoughts as you read people's writings. Now, you have the choice to guide and massage and manage those thoughts and come through to your own conclusions... but to pretend that others did not influence you, it's just silly. There is interaction. What you touch, touches you.

This is not my meaning. Belief is the governor of our influence in the whole projection. Most people are over run with limiting beliefs and incapable deciding or manifesting anything for them selves.

 

When you remove all beliefs the truth becomes too apparent

Edited April 12, 2009 by winpro07

[Yoda]

Just for the record, I believe that I manifest my own reality, I reap what I sow, etc and that Kunlun and Max and any possible angels/ghosts/etc are not to blame for my problems: I am.

 

I have no problem with that and take 100% responsibility for all my this worldly and otherworldly playmates.

 

So the guy who had his wallet stolen manifested that himself 100%... but there was still a thief.

 

I want to find out what happened on that level to me. And while I'm at it, I want to know why many of my pals and fellow bums have had such a mixed reaction with the practice and to let my fellow bums know what I've come up with and let everyone make up their own mind on this situation.

 

And I freely admit that I could be wrong about all this.

 

But if I've gone totally delusional... that's still not a promising sign!!

 

I remember SiliconValley complaining to me once upon a time that nobody will publicly come forward to say that there's something wrong with Kunlun. I think some of the issue is not wanting to break ranks with one's pals. But another issue is the fear of retribution from bad entities if the worse case type scenario turns out to be right. I can totally understand and sympathize on that account.

 

Yoda

[Guest winpro07]

We manifest our experience by belief within interaction. The thief cannot be there unless we choose to decide.

If you could see all your random impression, internal reactions and all that resistance it will become very clear that all experience is made manifest first as belief -every moment

 

We choose our beliefs and allow resistance to determine outcome or let go of resistance and begin to manifest

Edited April 12, 2009 by winpro07

[Mal]

Mal, my guessimation is that only a small portion of Kunlunies will be able to take this path very far and that mustering out of Kunlun and Red Phoenix is much more challenging than quitting a typical practice routine. RP is a sticky one, isn't it?

 

Yes RP is sticky. Still I WAS told that meditations involving moving energy inside the brain were very dangerous. And look at that they may have been right after all. Droping down the ladder (practice / energy wise) is always a weird feeling while everything tries to balance out again.

 

Still no worries live and learn Personally still not sold on the "flawed practice" angle despite all the problems as I don't expect this sort of stuff to be easy (Even KAP is a bumpy ride sometimes)

[Trunk]

The thief cannot be there unless we choose to decide.

Experiment:

Get in your car, drive to a busy street, close your eyes and decide: "The road is plenty wide and there are no other cars on the road". Keep your eyes closed and drive for 10 minutes. Get back to us, let us know how it went. Remember: you are %100 responsible.

[Guest winpro07]

My beliefs are completely validated by recent and past experiences healing others of terminal illness.

I see the root of causes and know the truth.

Experiment:

Get in your car, drive to a busy street, close your eyes and decide: "The road is plenty wide and there are no other cars on the road". Keep your eyes closed and drive for 10 minutes. Get back to us, let us know how it went. Remember: you are %100 responsible.

The truth is all experience whether it seems solid and unchangeable is only a choice in the current moment, nothing more

 

We choose experience, not outcome

Edited April 12, 2009 by winpro07