Dragon Gate aka Longmen Pai Workshop Atlanta GA May 23-25

[DentyDao]

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Edited September 18, 2009 by seandenty

[yiannis]

David is well and reached a major step in his practice this year with his Sifu in Korea. Don't believe the gossip machine.

 

Major step? >sigh<

 

Good for him...

 

Are you still his student Sean?

[Ken]

Hey, it seems verdesi run out of money, and his master Wang Liping is not exclusive anymore. Unfortunately for him, a lot of people made contact with master Wang, no need for fake representatives like verdesi. Behold earth creatures!!Master David got out of his cage, ready(?) to share his knowledge with humanity!!

 

 

 

Just to clarify, Master Wang has never granted exclusive access to anyone. He has been teaching people of different nationalities for a long long time. People don't know about it only because Master Wang likes to keep a low profile. For example, in 2007 Fall, way before Verdesi bring any of his crew to study with Master Wang, a group of Romanian students has gone on a special "Secret of the Golden FLower" class. In this class, 8 out of 10 (approximate number, don't remember the exact detail) was able to get to the stage where they were able to see the Mandalas. The report on this class, together with the students' drawings of their Mandalas, was published in a Journal, if i have time, i will translate and post the report here.

 

One of the biggest lies told by Verdesi is that only through him will you get the "inner" secret teachings, that's just BS, he was only taught basic practices like everyone else. The reason of course is to keep his followers content, otherwise they will all just attend Master Wang's other more acessible classes and not pay the extra premimum to go through him . But I think Verdesi has realised that the teachers are getting more accessible and that he can't keep a monopoly, so quite recently, he offered his followers to introduce them to Master Wang and Jiang (sp?) for a nice sum of 23,000 Euros and 46,000 euros so that they can become a special student . Not sure if any of his followers fell for that bait.

 

The problem of his approach is of course when his followers realise that the teachers are more accessble than they think, they will begin to smell something fishy (if they haven't already), so Verdesi will just have to come up with/ invent () more and more exclusive super-powered beings.

 

edit: spellings.

Edited May 13, 2009 by Ken

[yiannis]

Just to clarify, Master Wang has never granted exclusive access to anyone. He has been teaching people of different nationalities for a long long time. People don't know about it only because Master Wang likes to keep a low profile. For example, in 2007 Fall, way before Verdesi bring any of his crew to study with Master Wang, a group of Romanian students has gone on a special "Secret of the Golden FLower" class. In this class, 8 out of 10 (approximate number, don't remember the exact detail) was able to get to the stage where they were able to see the Mandalas. The report on this class, together with the students' drawings of their Mandalas, was published in a Journal, if i have time, i will translate and post the report here.

 

How long was this special class? Were the teachings the same with what is going to be taught in Atlanta?

 

The problem of his approach is of course when his followers realise that the teachers are more accessble than they think, they will begin to smell something fishy (if they haven't already), so Verdesi will just have to come up with/ invent () more and more exclusive super-powered beings.

 

Isn't he a super-powered being himself, after reaching (in Mopai terms) Level4? last year?

[Zeus]

How long was this special class? Were the teachings the same with what is going to be taught in Atlanta?

Isn't he a super-powered being himself, after reaching (in Mopai terms) Level4? last year?

 

Yea, maybe he is in level 6-7 now...maybe moved to Spain...they have many bulls there, for him to steal their chi..and advance to higher levels.. not to mention the caves there with the Spanish immortals..

 

Z

[r.w.smith]

Many bulls in Spain, Ha Ha Ha what a Classic

 

Does anybody know if his forum that cost $100 to join is still running ?

 

Cheers

[Zeus]

Many bulls in Spain, Ha Ha Ha what a Classic

 

Does anybody know if his forum that cost $100 to join is still running ?

 

Cheers

 

I heard that, slowly but steadily, verdesi is loosing his followers..Who knows, maybe because of the financial crisis, the poor guys cant afford it chasing immortallity, so sad..Maybe he will have to WORK for a living in the future

 

Z

[YMWong]

One of the biggest lies told by Verdesi [...]

 

The world is full of snake-oil salesman like Verdesi, Max and many others ~ it has always been and always will be. They cover a need in society just like the prostitutes (no pun intended of course) and as long as the need is there, and of course it will always be, they will be there with their products.

 

WE ALL should consider thou that EVERYONE of us *thinks* he is on the right side, lucky enough to have found the 'real-deal' master bla bla bla ...

Most of us, however, are studying with our own 'verdesi' --- we simply don't realize it looking out the moon from the bottom of our well.

 

YM

[DentyDao]

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Edited September 18, 2009 by seandenty

[gendao]

[nordisch]

Master Wang Liping is going to make an online communication with all the participants. Our workshop in US is synchronizing with Master Wang's workshop in Russia. Master Wang is invited by his senior disciple Mr. Victor Xiao to physically hold the "2009 Russian Workshop" at the same time frame (around Lunar calendar May 1st ) as our workshop.

 

So May 23rd to 25th Master Wang is also teaching in Moscow. Any more information?

[Ken]

In the 1980's when Wang Liping first came out teaching and started demonstrating his skills, he was called fraud and several prominent Taoist figures publicly denounced him. Liping went underground for years.

 

 

I doubt Master Wang has ever gone "underground", whatever that means, because a few jerkoffs accuse him of being a fraud (it's true that it still happens today in China) since his seminars are fully approved and backed by the government.

[youzifive]

hi, everyone,

It looks there are so many people talking about Liping Wang.

And who is david? David has a certificate from Master Wang?

[yiannis]

David has a certificate from Master Wang?

 

A certificate?

 

For 5.000 Euros I can arrange a meeting with David, to find out yourself.

Edited May 14, 2009 by yiannis

[Thunder_Gooch]

Great news I may be able to attend, I am having to pay other coworkers extra to cover my shifts.

 

 

Have we gotten an official tao bums group together to lower the individual cost of tuition?

 

We need 5 or more to come as a group to get the max discount rate.

Edited May 15, 2009 by More_Pie_Guy

[Thunder_Gooch]

Does anyone here know the actual location to the seminar, I want to get a hotel as close to it as possible. Is it being held at stone mountain park? Or the china town address?

[youzifive]

I suggest we can gather some questions here which always confuses us and ask Cathy Li to pass them to Master Wang for the answers.

 

Let's begin with my questions:

 

How many elements does Qi consist of? What are the purposes for moving, standing, sitting and sleeping Gong (practice)?

[Kronos]

Let's begin with my questions:

How many elements does Qi consist of? What are the purposes for moving, standing, sitting and sleeping Gong (practice)?

What style of Tai Chi should I learn?

[Ken]

 

How many elements does Qi consist of? What are the purposes for moving, standing, sitting and sleeping Gong (practice)?

 

 

 

The first question is more complicated, there are certainly many stages of qi, no one can really understand it if they haven't reach those stages themselves. But some kind of simple description is possble, so without any elaborations, let me say that : 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 are all "flavours" of qi.

 

The second question is easy, according to Longmen Pai's tradition, the following 14 characters summarized all possible qigong practice (proper qiong) in existence :

 

動修經絡立修脈，坐修神意臥修靈。

 

Translation: Moving practice cultivate the Meridians, Standing practice cultivate the Channels, Sitting Practice cultivate the Shen (spirit) and Yi (intention), sleeping practice cultivate the Ling (soul).

Edited May 16, 2009 by Ken

[WhiteTiger]

The second question is easy, according to Longmen Pai's tradition, the following 14 characters summarized all possible qigong practice (proper qiong) in existence :

 

動修經絡立修脈，坐修神意臥修靈。

 

Translation: Moving practice cultivate the Meridians, Standing practice cultivate the Channels, Sitting Practice cultivate the Shen (spirit) and Yi (intention), sleeping practice cultivate the Ling (soul).

 

Interesting, very interesting.

 

Meridians refer to the 12 vessels right?

[youzifive]

The first question is more complicated, there are certainly many stages of qi, no one can really understand it if they haven't reach those stages themselves. But some kind of simple description is possble, so without any elaborations, let me say that : 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 are all "flavours" of qi.

 

The second question is easy, according to Longmen Pai's tradition, the following 14 characters summarized all possible qigong practice (proper qiong) in existence :

 

動修經絡立修脈，坐修神意臥修靈。

 

Translation: Moving practice cultivate the Meridians, Standing practice cultivate the Channels, Sitting Practice cultivate the Shen (spirit) and Yi (intention), sleeping practice cultivate the Ling (soul).

 

Very good!

What are Moving, Standing Sitting and sleeping practice and how many kinds of them each?

[youzifive]

 

I see this picture, what does it mean?

[youzifive]

I believe there is a discount for groups, so it might be a good idea for everyone interested in attending to group together.

 

Are you going to attend this workshop, which will present a pretty good opportunity in US?

[Ken]

Interesting, very interesting.

 

Meridians refer to the 12 vessels right?

 

Yes, i think that's the other name for it.

 

 

Very good!

What are Moving, Standing Sitting and sleeping practice and how many kinds of them each?

 

On top of my head, longmen pai practices that have been taught over years are:

Moving : Peng Heng Gong (Practice with trees), Method to exchange qi naturally (walking practice) etc

Standing : different Zhan Zhuangs, External 5 elements to open the channels, Bagua Yi Sphere.

Sleeping : 13 different sleeping forms

Sitting : Yin Xian Fa, Method of Intelligence

 

I think there are others but i don't remember, the ones above are important ones anyway.

 

Longmen Pai has a comprensive internal alchemy system which comprises different aspects of the practice. I haven't seen another system that is as complete as what Master Wang has taught over the years.

 

True Internal Alchemy is time consuming and require dedication and (very) hard work. I can tell you that you should stay away from any practice that is easy and give quick result, they have many uhhh side effects. But then I have said it before that everyone deserves the teacher they have, it's a karma thing.

Edited May 17, 2009 by Ken

[Pero]

Translation: Moving practice cultivate the Meridians, Standing practice cultivate the Channels, Sitting Practice cultivate the Shen (spirit) and Yi (intention), sleeping practice cultivate the Ling (soul).

 

Interesting, why the distinction between channels and meridians?

I only heard that it is better to use channels because a meridian is something two dimensional, while channels are three dimensional, but here it seems like they are two different things altogether. Can you elaborate?