One other thing that can be of great benefit to gum health is the use of cayenne pepper. In his excellent book 'Curing With Cayenne' Sam Biser interviews master herbalist Dr. Richard Schulze about his dental problems in which Schulze stated that he managed to bring his 9mm pockets down to 2's and 3's using a dental irrigator in which he put drops of cayenne tincture. I don't use an irrigator so I did the next best thing, I use cayenne powder to brush my teeth with (along with the soap). The cayenne DEFINITELY brings blood into the gums, which in turn stregnthens them. In fact I consider the cayenne as important as using the soap.

Recently I found this site that sells a tincture with a combination of cayenne and other great herbs that are supposed to arrest gum problems. This stuff is so great that it has a patent pending. Anyway here it is...

http://www.peri-gum.com/

Lol. Hippy type soap. You brush your teeth with patchouli?

I hadn't been to the dentist in 15 years. I went for a check up and had only one cavity. I brush once per day with Tom's. I am gonna try some of these regenerative methods and see how it works.
I'm gonna wash my mouth out with soap. Maybe it'll cure my guttermouth.

I've had some bad tooth problems too. I now use a mix of sea-salt cayanne and hydrogin-peroxide 5% sollution in a sort of pasty slurry. Some times I just soak my mouth with a half t-spoon of sea salt that produces alot of saliva I soak my mouth for an hour, spitting out and adding new salt once or twice. Its like brining yr gums and kills EVERYTHING in your mouth. Bacteria can not live in a salty environment.

Sean.

I friend of mine is using Ormus made from Himalyan salt or even Bambus... some from another forum have reported that it is really GREAT for their teeth and a friend of mine says that her recent visit to a dentist has been a major success...

so if you are interested were to get it from I'll let you know

Harry

It's like patchouli / hacky sack scented and it's wierd, there are like dreads hanging off of it.

I'm interested, sure.

For what its worth, I went to a holistic dentist the other day and he said that it does not matter what you brush your teeth with, just that you use a gentle pressure and brush thoroughly. Toothpicks are fine for removing debris but not for pushing your gums. Also chewing gum is good, it stimulates saliva and helps clean the mouth, xylitol flavored of course.

I think I'll stick to sea salt .I'm pretty sure the properties are much too similar to the Mountain salt for me to get so carried away with where the salt comes from-But the sea salt is very preferable to regular iodized table salt - it is a much better taste.
Bronners makes an almond soap that may be a bit more palatable.?
I use a sandle-wood scented soap made in China-because I eat a head of garlic every day & I think it is just polite to minimize garlicy body odors. As an old hippy I have taken some flack over the years for the un-bathed hippy mystic...Not so much on my own account or habits - which tend to be more Japanese than Height-Ashbury. Cleanliness is just more healthful.
If your teeth hurt there may be a real problem-if you're not a Christian-scientist get a doc to check the chompers .

I couldn't be more pleased with my current toothpaste - Weleda Salt Toothpaste - basically seasalt and herb oils made into a paste. You brush it with a dry brush and a dry mouth and the saliva quickly produces the needed moisture - I get the same feeling of cleanliness afterwards as what you soap guys are suggesting. There is a subtle whitening effect that the salt has and the oil extracts seem to be making my gums look and feel healthy.

Its a commercial brand, but I use the Arm and Hammer with Peroxide. It has fluoride which has gotten a bad wrap here, but its mostly baking soda. It also has a little peroxide which in small amounts is a potent germ killer. I gargle long and thoroughly after I brush, hoping it distributes the soap, salt and peroxide better through my teeth.

My wife flosses daily. I don't. In the book Real Age, flossing adds more years to your life then most things. I'm reading a book Stop Inflammation diet. Its also shows how bacteria slips through sores in your mouth triggering abnormal immune responses, leading to lots of bad things.

When I'm done with Arm and Hammer I'll try a tube of the salt and oils Waleda toothpaste.

Michael

I used to use salt and baking soda, but then switched to my own concuction of olive oil, coconut oil, tea tree oil and a few others, plus some organic silica. After reading this thread I started looking into using soap but most have too many chemicals. I found this in my health food store that I started using twice a day:

Dr. Bronner's Magic Soap
All-One Hemp Tea Tree Pure-Catile Soap
Ingredients; Saponified Organic Coconut, Organic Palm & Organic Olive Oils (w/retained Glycerin), Water, Organic Hemp Oil, Organic Jojoba Oil, Organic Tea Tree Oil, Salt, Citric Acid, Vitamin E.

Tooth Soap uses almost the same ingredients only TS tastes better and 6 times more expensive.

After researching into tooth regrowth i realised you need to look at this from two sides- supplements, especially silica and tooth cleaning with oils that support teeth and kill bacteria. Tea Tree Oil is the best for killing stuff.
Another very important component is to use a massaging device with high enough frequency for your gums and bones under them. If you get your hands on an ultra-sound machine, it's a +.
Read: http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/200...a-umh062806.php

Later,
Max

Tooth Soap doesn't contain glycerin. Glycerin forms a film on the teeth that traps bacteria and prevents remineralization of the enamel, so you don't want to keep putting that coating on twice a day.

Glycerin is usually thought to be desirable in soaps because it makes the skin feel soft, but only because it draws moisture out so that the surface feels smooth. Not a good thing, and I can't imagine it would do any good in one's mouth, in any larger amounts than are normally contained in foods.

-Karen

Sure they do. All the oils have some glycerin in them 7% - 13%. Read the label carefully.
Ingredients of the tooth soap: Specially formulated soap made from saponified coconut, palm, extra virgin olive oils and pure essential oil. NO added glycerin, sweeteners, silicates (sand), fluoride, dyes, stabilizers or other material that can damage teeth. Certified Kosher by Star-K.

Then they say on Dr. Bronner's soap "Organic Palm & Organic Olive Oils (w/retained Glycerin)", all they mean is they didn't take the glycerin out when they made the soap.

You're right! I just saw the word glycerin on Dr Bronner's and assumed it was added.

Dr Bronner's does seem like a good alternative to Tooth Soap, although pure bar soap that doesn't contain detergents and perfumes would be good too (meaning not the commercial brands).

-Karen

according to Dr Judd, don't use liquid or clear bar soaps. I'm assuming it's due to the glycerin.

Actually Karen, you are right. Glyserin is not good for your teeth, no matter if it's added or as a natural outcome of the soap making process. I should cut down on its use and instead use my own formula that is raw.

No, YOU are. No, YOU are .. I'm not sure that the small amount of glycerin from the soap-making process is a bad thing. Pure soap without added glycerin doesn't seem to coat the teeth.

And I think most of us need the cleansing action that soap provides. How about cold-processed soap if you want something raw? I always thought it might be fun to make soap myself, but never got past the "might be fun" part.

-Karen

I floss nightly. When I miss a few nights more stuff comes out and it stinks. It only makes sense that removing deacying food from between your teeth will preserve them. It also keeps your breath from smelling as bad.

Something else that makes a big difference as far as the breath goes is using a tongue scraper. I've been using one for the last 10 years and always scrape after brushing my teeth.

I thought I had a built in tonque scraper. For a few months after I'd brush I'd scrape my tonque between my two teeth. I thought I was giving it a message and removing plaque. When I went to a check up the assistant showed my tonque to the dentist. Apparently I had been scraping off taste buds.

They grow back I'm told. The moral of the story. Tonques don't need heavy duty massage and if you scrape, do it lightly.

Michael

Good point Lerner, it's definitely a good idea not to scrape too hard, especially near the base of the tongue where the taste buds are larger.

I use an Ayurvedic tongue scraper. Also Yoda Iv'e read a lot more about the negative effects of supplemental fluoride than the positive ones.

I use Dr. Bronner's Magic Soap with about 1 part soap to 9 parts water, with a small amount of liquid Grapefruit Seed Extract as a preservitive and antimicrobial agent. The dilution prevents the soap from numbing my taste buds.

At first I used 1 drop of soap on a tooth brush and it numbed my sweet tastes buds for about a week. Using the diluted soap produces plenty of soap bubbles and it doesn't numb my taste buds. The mint in the soap makes it taste a lot like toothpaste. I add baking soda once in a while to get a more aggressive brushing experience once in while.

I use the natural soap because I'm leery of the chemicals that are in commercial soaps and the estrogen mimicking affects that many chemicals have. Since the blood supply is so dense in the mouth it's practically like injecting it directly into your blood stream.

If I remember correctly taking 1000 mg of Vit C a day reduces plaque by about 30%.

Just got some Dentie. It is made of carbonized(burnt to a crisp) eggplant and seasalt. I love it! not only does it look cool, what with foaming charcoal all over my mouth, but it leaves me feeling fresh and clean. Supposedly it some sort of ancient practice, this cleaning your teeth with burnt veggies and salt. That is what the label says anyway. We'll see how it works with the cavity.

Heres a question.

How many of us floss?

I don't. Well maybe once or twice a week.


Michael

Every day.

I scrape my tongue with the toothbrush. No need for special scrapers.

I had a followup with the holistic dentist yesterday. He said that the best thing to use is a sulcus toothbrush. He said to use it to brush along the gum line and angle it to get between the teeth. Then floss, then use a water-pick.

He said that tootpastes are purely cosmetic, they will wear away the teeth and have no real value. He insisted that good oral hygene is rooted in brushing technique.

dentie sounds fun!

My teeth are diggin having fluoride back in the picture. I'll just use the mouthwash with flouride in lieu of the glycerin containing toothpaste and see how it works. I reckon in 4 weeks I'll be able to crunch through an uncooked canine femur no problemo. (you never know...)

I noticed on the shelves that they are selling "remineralizing mouthwash" to strengthen your teeth. No calcium or other usual minerals were mentioned in the active or other ingredients, just flouride as the active ingredient.

I'm assigning my semi-raw, vegan diet the job of detoxing any flouride toxicity.

~~

speaking of toxicity... I wonder where my towerbusters went that I ordered last week?

Yoda, if you ordered towerbusters from Dennis at towerbusters.com, he'll very much want to know that they haven't arrived yet. He's super prompt and professional, and will make it up to you in a big way .

Re. fluoride, if you want to look into it further, there's a lot of clear evidence that there's no redeeming value even for teeth. Like with the drug that's supposed to increase bone density, bones actually fracture more easily even though they're more dense, but the density angle is played up. Not much different from any other kind of advertisement that can sell anything, even toxic waste.

-Karen

From an e-mail I got from the Maker's Diet people:

"Fluoride is poisonous — especially the salt-based form used in toothpaste and mouthwash. A top EPA scientific adviser once said, "Since recent federal government tests have shown that fluoride appears to cause cancers at levels less than ten times the present maximum contamination level, this would ordinarily require that all additions of fluoride to water supplies be suspended and treatment be instituted to remove naturally occurring fluoride." That should be enough warning for anyone, and yet many oral hygiene products still contain fluoride! To be safe, always choose nonfluoridated toothpaste and mouthwash."

my towerbusters did just come... they weren't actually late or anything. They are stinky though! Mrs Yoda doesn't like them and wonders what they are, but the whole new agey thing doesn't fly with her, so I told her that it was top secret and that I'll put them in zip locks. (I tried to hide them from her, but she found them within minutes.) Talking about causing cancer... these things definitely smell like funky industrial sludge and may well put fluoride to shame as a halfway decent carcinogen.

They are stinky until the resin cures completely. Just keep them outside for a week or so. I have orgonite all over the house, and they're completely non-toxic once the outgassing stops. It's polyester resin, no way around that, but the outgassing has a minimal environmental impact compared to how beneficial these things are energetically. They have literally restored drought areas, cleaned up bodies of water, not to mention counteracting the dense electromagnetic smog we live in.

Re. newagey - Reich was really a scientist, and orgonite is based in science, maybe not the kind that most people are familiar with

Karen,

Maybe I'll put them under the crawlspace, then they can do double duty as positive vibration transmitters/insect killers. I'm glad the curing will stop and I can bring them inside again after a bit.

-Yoda

I was just told about a tooth regeneration website:

http://www.merkabaweb.net/forum/topic.asp?...le=regeneration


There was an account of a young woman regrowing her teeth through faith and some helpful hint and links for anyone interested.

-Yoda

I regenerated a nerve in a tooth that was X-rayed, tested, and pronounced dead by two dentists and scheduled for a root canal six years ago. Two years ago, it was again X-rayed, tested, and pronounced alive and problem-free. I used TCM -- acupuncture and moxa.

Very cool!! What's moxa, btw?

Moxa is this really nifty stuff acupuncturists use to treat dampness. It is made out of the lovely artemisia plant, also known as mugwort. The older the mugwort, the better the moxa. The older the moxa, the better the moxa. I bet other people know more but I have a bunch of it that my acupuncturist gave to me before he moved away and it's good stuff.

thanks!

What points did you use and with what manipulations? Was your treatment based on correcting some imbalance or was it more like, these are good for teeth?

I've seen points with indications for tooth pain and I've always wondered what exactly that meant. Is it just symptomatic relief or is there something else going on there? It seems that you have had the experience to answer that question. Please share as you see fit.

Todd,

the belief that acupuncture provides "symptomatic relief" has been promoned by "Western science" which takes an interesting approach to things it can't do and can't begin to understand: colonial approppriation. Western science's stance on authentic non-Western healing modalities is exactly the same as Western civilization's approach to authentic non-Western cultures: they are to be conquered, parts deemed not usable destroyed, parts deemed usable stolen, and the whole ideologically dismissed as "barbaric," "backward," "uncivilized," "inferior," "obsolete" and so on. The popularized appoach to acupuncture, like to all things non-white in their origin, is colonial and racist and that's all there is to it.

If it's "symptomatic relief" it's been doing a good job for me -- I haven't used the services of a Western MD in fifteen years, during which time I've grown considerably healthier than I've ever been in my life. For about seven years now, I've been using the services of licensed acupuncturists (making damn sure they aren't former or current MDs trained in acupuncture on the side but, rather, OMDs trained in TCM primarily or exclusively) for anything that ever went wrong with me that I couldn't correct with my own (rather extensive) herbal expertise. Dentists are the last frontier... the day I can take care of any and all dental problems without them, I'll consider myself "arrived."

The acupuncturist who treated my tooth was trained by his acupuncturist mother in China, since birth, pretty much, because he was born with severe problems, so he got a bunch of needles stuck in him every day, all his childhood. He told me there's no better way to learn. Because he knew I knew a thing or two taoist, he told me, "I won't treat you the way I treat my American patients, I will treat you the way I treat my Chinese patients. " Which was his way of saying "excruciatingly painfully." He told me I "understand pain" (well, I do) and this understanding is the prerequisite for feeling qi and having control over what it's gonna do. He used the needles both locally for the tooth and elsewhere for another problem (a whole bunch of deficiency symptoms after three unimaginably stressful years). Locally, he stuck the needles in many facial points. He needled the crown point too, and a whole bunch of others on arms and legs on the Liver and Kidneys meridians. He didn't treat any points on the body (which is unusual).

As for moxa, I used it on myself, locally, in rapid "pecking" motions and with intense but precise heat so as not to burn my face. I went by the feel -- I could feel the qi breaking through into the nerve, and followed the sensations.

Thanks for the response. It sounds like he did some good for the teeth points along with going for the root imbalances. I'm glad it worked for you.

It seems that regrowing teeth from stem cells is actually easier than
regrowing internal organs: http://whyfiles.org/shorties/147tooth/


If you triangulate with todays news that stem cells can be found in the amniotic fluid, it seems quite interesting.

I wonder if I should try to keep some parts of every teeth, or they can br grown from 0. I wouldn;t like to have them grow me the wrong tooth. Although it would make a really cool Troll in D&D look.

So I have to respond as I read through this thread, hoping I am not repeating something that comes up later in the thread.

I have heard of rinsing and gargling with salt being very good for teeth. I brush with baking soda which I have noticed my grandparents and European visitors do, when I was younger. I also remember European visitors using tooth powder instead of paste and wonder if anyone knows what that stuff is all about and any word on baking soda.

Weston Price, a dentist from Cleveland way back in the day, cured plenty of people's cavities.



Weston Price's book

Scroll down about 1/3 of the way down to the 2nd picture of the x-ray of healed cavities, and read the associated text above and below the picture.

My dentist told me only fluorine takes part in tooth's regeneration, in the sense it covers the holes appeared due to the chewing.

This last period companies (Europe) have started to offer new toothpastes where calcium is present.

When I feel them "weak" I do some energy work, imagining them bright and full of white light. It works.

I wrote more on tooth regeneration here:
How to regrow or repair bad teeth naturally
The portable ultrasonic devices used in beauty salons would work much better then Novasonic, I think.
I have to write more on natural tooth care in a couple of days....
M

" Ultrasound goes right through the bones"

Do you think that is good for the body?
All the cells are interested, even non involved in the process of regeneration.
Are the electromagnetic fields good? I dont't think.

"First is a Novasonic Massager that can generate a sound vibration of 20,000 Hertz. It is not your regular massager and all you have to do is slightly touch the skin and you can feel the sound waves go deep within your body. I have one myself and love using it."

Are we sure that the frequency is good for anyone?

Has anybody experimented Ormus?
It seems that there is a big difference from golden powder suspended in water and pure golden powder.
Read here:
http://www.asc-alchemy.com/mono.html

Jaya

I've tried a few Ormus products. Pure gold is not what you want. According to David Hudson, the brain contains two types of Ormus--rhodium and iridium. Several producers make a product that is suspended in water that has balanced/roughly-equal amounts of gold, rhodium, and iridium. I can link you to these websites if you want. it's good stuff. They're curing cancer with this, as well as with seawater precipitate.

Agartha
i see that you have not red the link that i posted were it is explained the fundamental difference from the products:

In the website at the bottom of my post it is explained that golden powder suspended in water is not efficient, on the contrary it can be also dangerous.

If the process is incomplete in a liquid state it may well contain some monatomic elements however there may also be some metal to metal bonds remaining which can damage the liver and kidneys over time. Liquid suspensions made from gold may contain gold hydroxide. This is not due to impurity in the gold- beginning with pure gold the steps, on the way to the powder, convert the metallic gold to a liquid hydroxide. This hydroxide converts to a gold chloride in the stomach as it reacts with hydrochloric acid. You can check the effects of gold chloride here: http://www.ci.tucson.az.us/arthazards/photo2.html (#36).


Then i understand that these products below are not good:
http://www.whitepowdergold.com/

Some of the newbie sites make silly claims "Within 2 minutes both subjects had their left and right hemispheres go into synchronization and they dropped into the alpha state of brain wave activity. Then the frontal lobes went into sync with the rear quadrants, which made all four quadrants of the brain synchronized. When this happened, they both went into the theta level of brain wave activity, and the 25 year old, having never meditated a day in his life, was making dips into the delta range, which is a range of brain activity deeper than sleep - deep meditation." [ZPtec] Please, you know better than that, this material works deeply to clear away deep blocks but it is not a magic pill that instantly take one into the deepest state of meditation in two minutes with no effort on your part. Independent tests on the same product as well as other available products showed no such results. Many of you have bio-feedback devices and have verified this for yourself. It does help to connect the halves of the brain and with your conscious effort it can assist you to go into deeper states, but as most of you are well aware it is not the instant hit claimed by some of the newage marketers and we do not make any of our formulas, and particularly the Ormes, available with any silly instant enlightenment claims. Although this marketing ploy is obvious others may be less so; with popularity comes profit potential and this is an unregulated area. What does it really mean "perfects your DNA", we'll address that in a bit but in general use discrimination and common sense as you explore this field.

Golden powder would not be only one product good for all in any moment, but it would be necessary to procede from the lower octave to the upper octave.
It is suggested to have a personal remedy with the vibrations corresponding to our need.

Please read here with attention:

http://www.asc-alchemy.com/mono.html


Wich results have you hat with the products that you have tried?