Max was telling me about this guy. Has anyone read his book that was just published in English?

He is doing a 2 day seminar next month in LA. Kieth you interested in maybe checking it out. I probably have enough on my plate for awhile but if he's that amazing would be worth it.

Ok, I ordered his book.

Kieth..he says 1 hr of his system is equivelent to 100 years of other systems.

I think maybe we should check it out!

He has another seminar on the 23rd and 24th of September. I'm not too crazy about going through all of the hassle with airplanes. The last time that I went to any kind of seminar outside of New York City was in February to Richmond, Virginia. It was a train ride and the eye candy that was across from me was pleasing to look at (but just not enough to act upon...I should have moved closer to the middle of the train, the other one was definitely a HB, maybe SHB...DEFINITELY should have tried for breaking furniture (bed) with that one >:) ) for 7 hours of the eight hours.

I am only like a 5 hr drive away or somehting..I could drive and crash at Kieth's house and drink all his green tea and eat all his food and we can learn this high level system together.

Unless Kieth(Trunk) isn't interested or something.

Don't feel pressured dude!

ps. Yes..i am talking about the one end of september.

If Keith is that great of a guy, if I were in your shoes, I would pay Keith's admission (for both days) so that I would be welcomed back into Keith's house

I am not opposed to this type of an arrangement.

Seriously..I know Kieth, he is a great guy, just joking around. If he doesn't want to do the seminar with Lama Dorje and show me around LA and drink green tea I could just get a room at a Holiday Inn or something. I here some of them even have morning buffets.

I read his book. I had actually started typing up a review last week, but got sidetracked. The book is very small, more like a large brochure, but it's quite succint and to the point. He lays out the practical details for levels 1 - 3 of his Kunlun chi kung. Level 1 and 2 each take 6 months of practice and are aimed at developing your body's "magnetic potential". Level 1 involves seated Nei Gung with hand postures. It also requires an initial 100 days of celibacy, followed by an inspecion of your Jing. Level 2 is a series of standing Nei Gung body postures. Level 3 requires an additional year of practice involving meditation and is aimed at reversing your magnetic field back into a "normal electric polarity". I am really not sure on what he means by this and he doesn't go into details. If you attend the workshop please ask about this. If I lived closer I would probably attend.

Ok..Kieth told me he isn't interested. I need atleast 1 other Tao Bum to committ to going with me othewise I will skip. There are too many other teachers I am studying with now for me to go out of my by myself to see him.

Max if you want to get on a plane and check it out let me know.

I don't know. His Kunlun method is similar to what I'm practicing. And from my experience with it long enough I would say "1 hr of his system is equivalent to 100 years of other systems" is very close to be correct, although I would never put a claim out like that. His system is one of many that use the same "spontaneous" principles to open up the energy channels and lead you to a natural state of emptiness in a very short time. If you are serious about cultivation, I would strongly recommend studying with him.

I might go and attend just to see him, because I really admire this teacher.
M.

Let me know if you want to go or not in the enxt few weeks. If you want to check it out I'll go. I'll drive and you can meet me in LA or I can pick you up or whatever.

If your not going no worries. Unles someone else is really drawn to going. It's not really a big deal to me because I will probably do some training with another teacher I admire if I don't see him but looks interesting.

I attended the seminar in Los Angeles last week with Lama Dorje. He likes to be callled Max. I actually found out about Lama Dorje by someone posting about him on this forum about a month ago. It was my first time meeting him and I really enjoyed it. I think most of the other group of about 30 persons did so also. That is why he is coming back in September. There was one person there who had flown in from Michigan and I was sitting next to a guy who I think drove in from Arizona. There were also some people from Hawaii.

Max is a friendly and nice person. He doesn't seem to mind sharing what he has learned in his many years of practice. A lot of things he teaches would be considered "secrets" by others but he doesn't seems to mind sharing them. Max has a lot of knowledge and energy to share with people. I would say about 80 percent of the people there were having some type of experience during the meditation and a lot of them appeared to be quite strong type of experiences. You can read about the types of experiences on his website or in his book or on the movie trailer. It seems to be a very effective type of meditation. He said it is one of the few remaining styles of meditation that is taught in the original manner. I would recommend him highly.

http://www.risingredphoenix.com/index.html

http://www.lamathunderbolt.com/

Looks interesting. I ordered his book will check that out. I'll decide in the enxt couple weeks I am either going to do this or a weekend workshop with Master Chen in Atlanta 2 weeks later. I sort of wanted to go to Atlanta to visit my Mom and see Master Chen but if I am drawn to going after reading his book will do that.

So, I'll respond in this thread if I am definetly going or not in the next couple weeks. If Smile or anyone else decides they definetly want to go or are definetly not going respond here also.

Cam

Did you experience anything?

Hey Craig,

Are you studying David Verdesi's Foundation Training? If so, are you also studying Max's (Lama Dorje) system as well?

Thanks,

Matt

Pero, I had experiences at the seminar and in practicing the meditation since then, that is why I am recommending studying with Lama Dorje. Almost everyone else, probably about 80 percent of the people in the room, also seemed to be having experiences. Everyone seemed to be having different type of experiences I guess based on what they needed to work through or what is holding them back from having an awakening. I have only attended one seminar so I don't really know what it is all about except it seems to take myself into a type of trance and meditation state. At the seminar several people were going through spontaneous laughter episodes as they kept laughing (I didn't have that experience.) I heard a couple of people speaking in toungues. Some people seemed to be shaking quite wildy. Several people were moving around in spontaneous yogic postures which included myself. I also found my body going into certain yogic postures and found myself frozen in those positions. Max had to help me out of one at the end. I also had some visions that appeared to me during trance. One guy was in such a deep trance that they couldn't wake him so they just left him alone and eventually he came out of it. Max talked about some people have the experience of going through a type of death experience and then experiencing an enlightenment during meditation. So I guess the answer to your question is yes I had some experiences and I seem to be having experiences everytime I sit for meditation. Lama Dorje gives an empowerment to the people at the seminar. You can read the book but I think you need to see him at least once for it to work for you.

Matt, I attended David Verdesi's Foundation Training in Thailand a year ago and was fortunate to meet Sifu Luo. In July I went to Denmark for David's retreat. I am currently taking a break from the Foundation Training.

It's a shame

The $300 would have been a steal just for observing Keith in his own environment for a weekend

Am getting interested to see if Max gets motivated and starts making posts about how if I was really interested in cultivation I would go.

What do people think..weekend workshop with Lama Dorje or weekend workshop with Wudang Master Chen. I am still a student and can only afford to go to one.

Let's get feedback.

Thanks Craig, I appreciate the reply. I do have a couple other questions, if you dont mind.

Did Max display similar abilities/acheivements to those of Sifu Luo? If so, do any of Max's students display abilities as well?

Does Max continue to learn from a particular teacher or lineage?

Also, if you dont mind, could you further characterize what you meant by "taking a break from the Foundation Training"?


Thanks again, Craig. I really appreciate your response.

Cool, thanks for sharing.

Matt regarding your questions.

When we met Shifu Luo, he exhibited the ability to emit an electrical type of charge from his hands to open up certain points such as the Dan Tien, Crown, third eye. I don't think Max has that electrical ability at least he didn't show me that. I don't think that is part of his lineage. He seems to teach more a method for awakening. He does seem to be able to move his students around without touching them. Perhaps that is because they are intune with his energy. I am not sure he would be able to do it with strangers. I only attended one seminar with him so I don't know. I did hear a few of his students talk about some amazing things that they have seen him do. One guy mentioned that Max had formed a tornado in a park during the class. Max from what I gather has at least one or two students that have reached an advanced stage or I guess you would call it an awakening or enlightenment. One girl was at the seminar and she was helping him out. Another guy named Kan is in the movie trailer. He is in the trailer in a few places and he is the guy throwing a punch at Max at the end. Max told us that Kan had an awakening experience and showed us some extra video with Kan in it where he had a realization and Max was downloading the knowledge from his lineage directly into Kan's mind.

I don't think Max studies anymore from any teacher but he is part of the Kunlun lineage and probably other ones too.

Regarding why I am taking a break from Foundation Training is I am not sure it is for me. I wrote David some questions regarding the training and he hasn't answered yet so I thought I would take a break until if and when he answers. Then I would decide if I should continue.

Thanks Craig.

I hope you find what youre looking for.

Peace,

This is going to be a tough call. Lama Dorjes system looks pretty interesting but Master Chen is also. And both are lineage guys.

I don't know which one to go for at this point. Will read his book and meditate on it and give it a few weeks. Sounds like from what people are saying his presence is amazing. But I think a couple people on here also study with Master Chen and basically said he is also amazing and the best teacher/energy they ever experienced.

decisions, decisions.

Sounds promising. Have been in similar sessions. People actually getting rid of stuff. Not so sure about being frozen in place - karmic release is usually pretty mobile. But what do i know....

cameron,

I think you should go see lama dorje. The experience will be more spectacular and
me (as well as many taobums for sure) would love to hear your report on it.

Cam,

my vote: Lama Dorje. He's gotten some nice endorsements on this thread and he sounds compatible with what you are doing with the whole 'spontaneous opening' kind of a thing... maybe you could come back as Super Love Bunny? I'm up to my gills in gurus and practices, or I'd check it out too.

Yours,
Yoda

Sorry I haven't kept up on this thread. I've been busy eating mud and shooting rope out of my ass.

I have room, and you are welcome to stay.
I'm a semi-bachelor, in a sparsely furnished house, working to recover from collapsed health. So, I'm not tremendously lively - but I do have tea and a spare unfurnished room.

As I said to Cam in a PM, I'm working to recover my basics: health. I sat with several bright lights when I was younger, and when I'm ready to resume (if ever, I hope) I feel aligned with teachers I already know. So, I'm not going to see Lama Dorje Max (even though it's clear that he's a very unusual fellow).


* picks up phone to order more clay *

Ohhh this is going to be fun.

Sean wants me to go to Master Chen and he will do the workshop with me if we go.

Sean also made some controversial comments about Lama Dorje which I won't repeat.

Now..Yoda and Kieth(and obviously Max) are for Lama Dorje.

Will need atleast a couple weeks to see.

LOL.

Let's just save our money and go see Jeannie Zandi in Mexico in February. Or just take the plunge and register for an Adyashanti retreat.

hey, I wanna hear them. I need more entertainment at work.

I expressed skepticism about the photos on his site. The pictures of his body and hands. Even the picture of him where his eyes are glowing blue. To me they scream Photoshop. If you are going to put up fakey photos this naturally makes me skeptical about the authenticity of the person's work.

Sean

Reasonable rxn from a modern professional artist.

When I go to his site and look at his picture for any more than a glance, I get a blast of high-vibe qi. I shy away because I'm already 'married' but, imo, this guy clearly is hooked up to a lot of light. Transmission is more than just blasting away, though - there are details and being specific to students' needs and configurations. Whether he just turns up the bright lights, or has more matured finesse, I can't tell - but I would bet money that sitting with him would be quite an experience.

The dna thing I don't find to be believable, but so what.

Or the gamma rays thing....

Come on people... everybody stuck in yoga postures?? You gotta check that out!

The fact that he's a nice, approachable guy is a plus. And $300 for two days (!) and air fare is reasonable these days too...

Bentonite clay absorbs gamma rays, so just take some of that and you'll be fine.

You know, you could also come out here sometime for a HardLight (link) intensive. Seems like there's one every month. You probably wouldn't learn any technique, but the transmissions... *searches for superlatives, comes up short*

It actually specified gamma brain waves (higher than beta brain waves), which may be achievable through years of mantra based and active visualization based meditation. It has been observed in Tibetan Monks...but kind of shakingly ruled out as muscle interference from the rest of the body due to equipment limitations.

About the Hard Light... my Kagyu lama, Lama Norlha, student of Kalu Rinpoche, said very nice things about Muktananda (sp?). I think the story was the Karmapa met Muktananda and the two got along very well. The Karmapa was pretty picky about the teachings he liked... didn't like a lot about the Dalai Lama's teachings for instance, so it's unusual for a Hindu to get his thumbs up.

Oh, gamma brain waves? I guess I misread then. This makes a lot more sense.

Jeannie in Mexico is at the top of my list regardless. Why, you interested in coming?

To update, something seems really interested in studying with Lama Dorje suddenly. I still havent made up my mind for sure but it looks like that is where this may be headed.

Will be very interested to read his book when it arrives.

Cam, That sounds like a good plan... vibe out the book and go from there.

Trunk, why are you taking a break from hanging out with gurus yourself? I'm coming off a 7ish (?) year hiatus from gurus and I think I had overreacted against them. It probably would've done me some good to connect with teachers during that time.

7 years without a guru, Yoda! You're my god.

Thanks... I have family members who've gone the distance w/o so that'll keep me humble. There are a lot of positive things about the do it yourself approach, definitely. But a nice teacher can definitely sweeten things up.

Hear, hear, my guru has spoken.

Has anyone learnt Lama Dorjes Burning Palms system?

If so can you tell me how many levels or what its training consist of as well is his Burning Palms all complete in his Book?

regards
WYG

I have had some experience with the practice. I use burning palm to help friends release energy blocks, wake up dead areas, or release toxins. It is very effective.

Like most of his teachings, the ability is transferred to you and then you simply cultivate it with a bit of practice.

Alright, I'm not trying to be an asshole (don't you love it when people start out statements like that?) but let me ping you, a student, directly on this. It sounds like Dorje has some interesting teachings and I kind of WANT to dig him. But what's up with those photos on his site? Down at the bottom of Lama Dorje - Pillar of Bliss book page there. Is that supposed to be Kirlian photography or what's the deal? Because it looks an awful lot like a straight up Photoshop experiment. And so then I am left with this feeling, similar to when an otherwise cool friend lies to you about something important ... and you're like DAMMIT, now I can't really trust you anymore. Any thoughts on this?

Warm welcome to the board, btw, I'm Sean.


Sean

Thanks Sean,

I know what you mean, although i read Wang Li Pings book on opening the dragon gate and i wish for it to be real all the things they say in the book and what he learnt. Although there is no pics of WLP stories are stories so im hoping one day there will be a basic med dvd from him or his coleauges teaching what it says they can do.



Mantra 68

What type of med or chi kung is in it, Does it look like normal Zhan Zhuang standing post practise, how many meds or levels are in his Burning palms its got me interested indeed?

WYG

Since it seems like "My Favorite Lama" week, my recommendation for this week is Lama Somananda Tantrapa......................Lama Tantrapa teaches a sort of free form Qigong called Qi Dao which has shamanic influences.................I am currently awaiting his book and dvd which has gotten positive reviews by a lot of the heavy hitters in the chi-biz......................................His website is:www.qidao.org

Just let go of your need to control and come to LA with me and we can hang out with Kieth, drink lots of green tea and see Lama Dorje.

Just think about how much more authority your skepticism will hold after you tell him your thoughts in person!

Hey Sean, good to know you.

I respect your skepticism because I am the same way. I came from the Ayn Rand, Objectivist school of thought and so my quest was/is only for the truth. However having spent the last six years studying with him I have had to deal with having my mind blown over and over again. It has left me with a much bigger realm of possibilities to consider.

Those photos actually are real. Many have witnessed this phenomena and I know it looks like it has been faked but he can explain the process scientifically. It has something to do with the activation of ions in the air and I am not sure beyond that. I can ask him to give the full explanation if you are curious.

As to the photo of his eyes, I took the photo, I scanned it and I posted it. It is just a direct flash into his face. He has very light colored irises so maybe it looks odd. No tricks. There is no time for that and it would go against the Tao to try to deceive people.

He only presents these things to show people how amazing they truly are. He is a very sincere person and wants to share this knowledge with those interested in learning the ancient, secret ways. No one else at his level is willing to do this.