Just wondering how many TB's are in Australia, and also if anyone can point me in a good direction for any forums that have a lot of Aussies. Basically, now that my Daoist Master has decided to go large scale to the public, I thought that I'd let as many people know as possible.

His are genuine daoist teachings to achieve the elixir and more importantly maintain it. In terms of the ultimate aspirations of Taoists - to Achieve Dao is one thing and relatively easy, but to maintain it and develop it toward Da Dao is the true task, it is what all results depend on, it is everything.

I honestly want people to have the chance to experience his teachings, they ground the individual with functional 'creative power'(English lacks the words) for the day-to- day 'dusty' world interaction(success in life,business etc - this being a vital part of the Cultivation of balance/Dao) whilst also developing concrete mastery of 'energetic' skills be it martial, 'spiritual' or otherwise.

Again, there are so many people searching for genuine lineages/teachings, how do I let them know!?

So any Aussies please speak up! Else point me in the right direction to let other Aussies know, atleast to start with. In all honesty it is worth an international flight to meet Master Dong Yang but people's confidence is always strengthened by as many third party opinions as necessary. He currently has students that travel very far within NSW and also interstate on a regular basis. Many of these students searched for years before finding a genuine teacher of the methods of achieving Da Dao.

Thanks for your time, and hopefully help
-CC

Im Aussie, ill make it up to see your Sifu! I also teach chi kung of Daoist and Buddhist, so love to see what he does and all that.

What styles of Kung Fu does he teach, Bagua, taiji any others?

I might have a friend intersted in training, does he teach Water Boxing?

WYG

Im in australia

If your Sifu ever visits melbourne let me know

Just one question.Does your sifu give energy transmissions to his students to aid in there progression?

Thanks

The teachings do revolve around Xingyi, Bagua and Taiji. But most importantly stress the root Daoist internal power cultivation techniques that are common link at the root of these arts. Without these techniques no tangible and permanent elixir can be formed. Martial Arts are only one leaf on the tree of Dao, so when pursuing true Dao amazing martial skills come about easily and naturally without effort.

Dong Yang has mastered numerous martial arts, but now as he wants to focus on Tao teaching his focus is primarily on the above styles. His Martial knowledge and experience is very profound so i'm sure he can answer any of your questions.





Looks like Melbourne might be on the cards in the new year, so will keep you posted. If you register on the site or newsletter list(both free) it's the easiest way for us to keep you updated on info.

In regards to energy transmissions, the short answer is no, in the direct sense that I think you mean. The long answer is that yes the teaching does contain 'short-cuts' and 'acceleration' of a student's progress in the sense that being taught by a genuine achieved Daoist master has the true self-empowering results that far outweigh so-called 'empowerments'. True sustainable development comes from within. With the right methods this is the fastest, safest, functional and practical of ways.

I'm Melbourne too. I might have to get up to Sydney one of these days, there are a couple of good teachers up there I'm interested in meeting. I'd adding Master Dong Yang to the list now.

Hey all,

I'm an Aussie also - from Brisbane. :-)

In kind regards,

Adam.

Hi clear clouds.

Im in sydney and would be very interested to meet your teacher.
I have seen his name before ,and tried to contact him but with out success.

Ill send you a PM with some questions i have.

Thanks for the announcement.

Best wishes

MArk

Hi,
I'm glad that you've been able to contact now, sorry for any problems before.
I've replied to your PM.

--CC

I am in Brisbane

Ahh ,this is so gratifying. Downunder Daoists

Currently stuck in melbourne myself. Longest period of being localised anywhere Ive had in a while.

Regards,Cloud

Melbourne

(actually, an hour out of melbourne, but.....close enough)

Hi,

Just to let Aussie TB's know that I've posted upcoming events for the Sydney Based LaoZi Academy
in the upcomingevents thread here.

Just getting the word out there.

Cheers,

CC

Just to let any Melbournians know

I have been training with a Qi Gong/Taoist master in melbourne for quite a while now.Im going to continuing my training with him today after not seeing him for 2 years

His name is Dr Shan Hui Xu. He is a third generation master of his school.He was initiated into the taoist teachings at the age of 8 and then later studied under 2 Taoist priests in the guandong province.He has also spent time in the Shaolin temple

His classes are pretty much one on one these days and involve alot of empowerments.His Qi Gong combines hard with soft forms and standing/sitting meditations but none of that microcosmic orbit crap.The empowerments open up the MO naturally and safely

Here is a little video of him doing a demonstration of some Shaolin Hard Qi Gong with 2 of his first australian students Sifu garry and Sifu linda

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9sWdOv0FUw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_WH3LPnXq8

If anyone is interested to meet him send me a PM and i can give you his details:)

Cheers

Thanks for the clip, although you dont need chi kung for that demonstration, let him do it on one nail???

Well obviously if he does it on 1 nail it will go straight through him and most likely kill him:P

I doubt anyone could do it with 1 nail unless perhaps your a lei shan dao master at a very high level

Hey Truth,

What kind of sitting meditation methods does he use? Why does he / you think the microcosmic orbit is crap. I too, intuatively, feel there is something wrong with it. I'd be interested in hearing his teachings on that. I assume, from what you have said, the basic criticism is that it unnaturally forces energy through the orbit which is perhaps problematic in some way? Could you elaborate?

In kind regards,

Adam.

The nail board has been proven to be a trick/hoax for many many centuries and is nothing but some guts to lay down on all the bed of nails where the whole body is evenly placed and not taking all the force. Non chi kung and martial artist have proven this from time to time. Like i said lay on one nail that would be impressive!!!

No disrespect intended!

Hey Truth,

What kind of sitting meditation methods does he use? Why does he / you think the microcosmic orbit is crap. I too, intuatively, feel there is something wrong with it. I'd be interested in hearing his teachings on that. I assume, from what you have said, the basic criticism is that it unnaturally forces energy through the orbit which is perhaps problematic in some way? Could you elaborate?

In kind regards,

Adam.
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There are so many incorrect views on the MO going around these days it is hard to know what is true and what is delusional when it comes to these practices. Can you point me to any traditional teaching that is with in your grasp or any westerners grasp that teaches the microcosmic orbit that is known to us today?.That teaches how to transform your jing into chi into shen just by going on a 2 day retreat up into the mountains with harry rogers the person who spent 2 years in china learning some dodgy from of folk taoism

You'd be surprised at how far from the real MO teachings these methods are

The meditations he teaches are practiced along side moving/standing forms to focus on the regulation of your body and mind to achieve a state he calls pure land. A state where your body and mind are in total harmony,Your organ energies are balanced and your psychology is lifted and not troubled by anything .You can not achieve this state with meditation alone. Through out the training he will often check your body to see if your at that level and some times supplement your training with herbal formulas and until you are he will not teach any higher level methods that involve cultivating chi. To speed up your progress he gives empowerments

Some of the moving forms he teaches at the foundation level are level 1 and 2 Xiang Gong,Lok Tong King,spontaneous Qi Gong,Tai Chi and when you get a bit more advanced he teaches Yi Jin Jing and breathing methods

cheers

[quote]The nail board has been proven to be a trick/hoax for many many centuries and is nothing but some guts to lay down on all the bed of nails where the whole body is evenly placed and not taking all the force. Non chi kung and martial artist have proven this from time to time. Like i said lay on one nail that would be impressive!!!

No disrespect intended!

Anyway i just posted those video's cos there the only ones i got of him.I agree they dont show any level of Qi Gong accomplishments lol.

Personally, I'd stay away of anyone who calls themselves as a master and wears fancy silk clothes. That website you linked to looks like an emerging commercial venture.

Real Taoists don't go public. Remember that.

Currently living in Brisbane.


The meditations he teaches are practiced along side moving/standing forms to focus on the regulation of your body and mind to achieve a state he calls pure land. A state where your body and mind are in total harmony,Your organ energies are balanced and your psychology is lifted and not troubled by anything .You can not achieve this state with meditation alone.

Have you tried meditation alone for let's say 15 years twice a day or 5-10 years full-time (+/- 8 h per day) before saying soemthing this?


Through out the training he will often check your body to see if your at that level and some times supplement your training with herbal formulas and until you are he will not teach any higher level methods that involve cultivating chi. To speed up your progress he gives empowerments

Herbal formulas are useless if your diet, sleep and lifestyle are deficient.


Some of the moving forms he teaches at the foundation level are level 1 and 2 Xiang Gong,Lok Tong King,spontaneous Qi Gong,Tai Chi and when you get a bit more advanced he teaches Yi Jin Jing and breathing methods

Fancy names for the following basics: stillness, tamed mind and internal organs health that allow unblocked flow of qi.


Breathing methods??? That sounds the fire path to me. Hmm..Not recommended. The water path is safer and produces the same results with no side effects.

Have you tried meditation alone for let's say 15 years twice a day or 5-10 years full-time (+/- 8 h per day) before saying soemthing this?

No i have not and have no desire to and would never recommend anyone to meditate that many hours per day



Herbal formulas are useless if your diet, sleep and lifestyle are deficient.

I agree.


Fancy names for the following basics: stillness, tamed mind and internal organs health that allow unblocked flow of qi.

Fancy names? They are the chinese names for them. Nothing fancy about it

Breathing methods??? That sounds the fire path to me. Hmm..Not recommended. The water path is safer and produces the same effects with no side effects.

Many practices are not recommended if they are learnt from half assed teachers, if they are mixed with other practices or even worse if they are learnt from books. If you stick to 1 teaching and practice it exactly how it is taught and put your whole heart into it with the guidance of a competent teacher, there is no reason why it should cause you harm wether it be fire or water path or what ever other paths there are

[quote name='truth' date='Nov 3 2007, 09:09 PM' post='41210']
Have you tried meditation alone for let's say 15 years twice a day or 5-10 years full-time (+/- 8 h per day) before saying soemthing this?

No i have not and have no desire to and would never recommend anyone to meditate that many hours per day

Why not?

To change our ego-centred minds takes a long, long time of meditative practice and the more hours one meditates (according to their internal energetic make-up) the better and the quicker the results.


Breathing methods??? That sounds the fire path to me. Hmm..Not recommended. The water path is safer and produces the same results with no side effects.

I wouldn't recommend fire methods to a "fire horse" (Sheng Xiao/Chinese Zodiac) like myself

Anyhow:

Getting back to the more generalised topic of being Aussie Daoists.....

Are there any who have yet to declare themselves? Any shy souls that havent revealed their downunder status yet ?

Is there anything distinct or problematic about being a Downunder daoist ? Are we the spiritual arse-end of the world, Or do we have something unique to contribute ?

Are you a moon-hugging new-agers festooned with crystals & reeking of patchouli ? Or are you "fair dinkum aussie blokes n' sheilas " baking in the sun ?

Regards, Cloud

Im a Daoist, i was ordained in 1992 in Sydney and have been following the path since then. I was the 1st white person to become a Daoist in this temple!

WYG

Thats INTENSE. How old were you at the time of your ordination ?

I was 22yrs old at the time, My Sifu was also a member and was my Sihing in the Temple. I dont know if ordain is the right word for it cause it sounds like a buddhist way or christian monk. But i did the full ceremony and stuff with the other new members. I got my Daoist name and robes, hat back then i knew the full chants which ive lost it all now since my Sifu passed away sometime ago and i moved out of Sydney.

I try and follow a good way but the road is never that straight for me!!! As long as im aware of that PATH i can always get straight back on it and keep trying.

regards
WYG

Returning is the Motion of the Dao. If your sincerely 'doing' that, your succesfully 'doing ' the only thing that can be 'done'.

Regards,Cloud

Actually, here is a questuion for the Australians. Is anyone here experienced with Erle Montaigues Tai Ji,both as a health sysytem & as a fighting style ? Having watched excerpts on you tube & so forth, I love the way he teaches & explains things.

But does it work ?

I have no idea how to assess such things,I dont know what to look for. Feedback anybody ?

Regards, Cloud

I have met Erle back in 1993 when he held his dim mak seminar i was also training in my own systems energy system of hakka kung fu. Erle is a great person always has time to answer and was going to write a preface for my book long time ago. I have had some of his students come visit me from time to time and i must say i dont mind his old yang style taiji form it is very different to what is out there and worth having a look at if you are a taiji player.

He has some interesting views and some of stuff on youtube are great to watch he has some valuable knowledge on his own system that is for sure.

WYG

I didnt answer all your questions!

Erles stuff can work as long as you train as in anything, but playing around with peoples energy can have its downfalls and the people can suffer. George Dillman has been knocking people out and some have almost died one of them i was told on national T.V and a doctor in the audience had to review the guy and he was left with internal injuries!!!

You dont need to know dim mak or the like you can get around it with a internal iorn palm or phoenix eye striking. The points are very high level and if they are used are even more potent but you can injure people by playing around with it. You need to know dit dar medicine, energy healing, massage, accupuncture to help correct them if you have $@#@ there energy up. I know a master that he says dim mak is not with striking at all!

Can't comment on the health aspect, except to say it seem as good as the Tai Chi that I do personally, hopefully that is good for my health

The martial arts part works. I have trained with one of his students here in Townsville (Well Ian Garbett's student, tied up with Erle's system) I know a few others too and they all fight very well. I also love the way Erle explains stuff. 2 people with a bit of martial arts experience could practice and learn from his videos

No problem. Im just interested in exploring it, but want to be reasonably sure Im not wasting my time. My primary interest is in the health angle & the 'authenticity' of the system. So anything that contributes to that is an answer

Regards, Cloud

Another question for the australians.

In some of the more esoteric systems Ive glanced at , they become quite particular about practices performed on certain hours of the day, facing certain directions of the compass,even directing awareness to certain constellations overhead, etc. Are these systems of symbolic correspondence designed for practitioners in the Northern Hemisphere only. Are their any adjustments for practitioners in the Southern hemisphere ?

REgards, Cloud

Well im my practice what ever feels best that is the direction, i guess trying to be more sensitive to the energy around you. For instance stand for however long it takes for you to feel the best direction, like scanning the area?

From my perspective there are generally two types of "esoteric" type systems. Those that achieve results and Those that do not. Focus on these specific alignments, whether time or spatial, do have a historical root within the tradition of Daoist cultivation. But the importance on every last detail is relative to the student’s progress in achieving the elixir. If Health is shoddy, no amount of bowing and directional alignment at such-and-such a time will have any real lasting effect.

The key is specific Daoyin Movements leading to a refinement of course jing, and then qi & shen. This is the true prerequisite foundation upon which specifics can then be added to improve the subtle aspects of internal alchemy. My teacher, Master Dong Yang, teaches from this perspective of the traditional progression of stages. He teaches that Daoists build step by step, pouring the concrete before buying the light fittings.

kind regards, clearclouds

Hi,

Im hoping to make it up to Sydney to see your Sifu a few things have come up which are serious and doesnt look good for me but im hoping to.

How did the mind body spirit festival go with your teacher, im looking at getting a stale next year my students said it would be a good way to promote my arts.

WYG

i wish i lived in Australia right about now lol. not only does your sifu look authentic his teaching is affordable... $500 for 3 months.

Umm that is expansive for Australia actually!!!! IMHO!!!!

$500 for meeting twice a week for 3 months? haha a two day seminar can cost over $500 easily in the usa - and it's total crap you're learning lol.

I guess but depends on the teacher and what he teachers too, just cause someone says they are a daoist master or buddhist master doesnt mean then can pump up the fee's. There are teachers that are cheap and have the same knowledge without the tittles if you lucky enough to find them?!

I might have to pump up my prices im way too cheap!!!

wow, there are a lot of teachers on taobums aren't there?

Im from Australia also, NSW Near Goulburn right up on top of the Great Dividing Range.

I am in Australia as well.

Clearclouds, I've been to a few of Master Dong Yang's classes before and although he is competent in his mastery of the martial arts he teaches, I have seen no students even close to what he is capable of. Although some have been training with him for over 8 years.

In the classes, he shares nothing on technique and is apparant in the skill level of his students.

Can you comment on this if you're still on the forum?

How was the visit to China that he was planning? Would be interesting to hear your views on it.

Enjoy your practice.

mouse

Has anybody Trained with the Sydney Master Bing Zhao "Originally from Brisbane"? Its said He is Capable of & Teaches a very real form of Empty Power (Attacking One From A Distance). According to Him its the Original thing from China-centuries old ?

Just recently I met a 7 year student of Bings who has studied the 2 Key movements everyday for over 7 years. However He cannot do much. From the Method shown I cannot see how this is possible ? Im certain what this Teacher has is kept soley to Himself.

Tere is also in Bisbane Master Liao who studied with master Yan Xin & the same teacher as the Famous Zhang Hongbao who died in 2006. Teachings are Taoist Alchemy & Various lightbody Skills.

r.w. smith,

Zhao Bing and Dong Yang are one and the same. Dong Yang is his ordination name under the Taoist lineage.

I've trained in maybe 10 sessions before and he is very competent with his ability but doesn't teach anything which is why students get no where. You can see from his Taiji form, that he's got all principles right. Even in his sword form has principles down pat.

However, he does not teach an ounce on it in classes which is why I ask clearclouds to share his views as he is a long term student.

Enjoy your practice,
mouse

Aaaahhh Thankyou mouse for clearing things up. Many thanks my friend

Hi R.W. Smith,

Can you provide more information on this Brisbane Master Liao you are referring to? Website, contact information, history, lineage etc? He sounds interersting.

Many thanks!

In kind regards,

Adam.