Ian
Oct 14 2007, 09:38 AM
I'm interested to find out if any one knows any checkable resources on this subject. It is claimed in "The Heart's Code" by Paul Pearsall (and quoted by Mantak Chia in lectures) that an 8 year old girl was able to lead police to the killer of her 10 year old heart donor, by providing concrete information that could only have been known to the victim.
Has anyone ever looked into this? Is the girl's name ever quoted? Was there any confirmation from the police that this was indeed how the murder was solved?
I'm personally quite inclined to accept cellular memory, but when talking to beloved sceptics, I am forced to admit that all the evidence is distressingly anecdotal.
Any help?
karen
Oct 14 2007, 10:50 AM
Hi Ian,
Very interesting subject. I think the evidence is lacking only because material science is too limited to understand the phenomenon. So if you want evidence, you have to look outside the conventional realm, to a more energetic physiology. In other words, what you're describing can be explained physiologically, although not with the kind of material physiology that most people are looking at. So even though it's completely explainable in a certain context, many people won't be satisfied because they don't accept explanations that can't be validated by material science.
What you're describing is very much like what we talked about in the blood transfusion thread. The organs contain spiritual forces, and the heart particularly relates to the astral or soul function, and contains consciousness. The blood is a primary flow, very fluid and dreamy and etheric, but you can't do much with it in that state. It needs the heart to sort of arrest that flow, and that creates consciousness.
That's the real purpose of the cardiovascular system. The heart isn't just a mechanical pump, but contains these spiritual forces of consciousness. The material tissue that the organs are made of, is formed out of a weaving of the spiritual forces through various ethers. So organ transplants are going to impact a person's consciousness dramaticallly.
As for a transplant recipient being aware of certain details of the donor, I think we've seen evidence for that empirically. The subtle physiology certainly explains the process.
Anecdotal evidence doesn't mean much if it's just a collection of different peoples' perceptions and not grounded in an understanding of the principles behind it. But empirical data can be meaningful when we can see behind the veil of outer appearances, to the inner content of what's going on.
-Karen
thelerner
Oct 14 2007, 12:33 PM
Its very intriguing. It goes along pretty well w/ TCM theory I think. There's a book out on heart recipients memories. There was a thread on heart transplants on the healing tao usa site a long time ago.
I'm generally skeptical, but echoed memories from transplants and a book I read about the scientific pursuit of children reincarnated memories (right down to birth and death marks) make me keep an open mind.
Michael
Kunzag
Oct 15 2007, 12:11 AM
Few years ago Lama Ole told a similar story. One of his students had a heart transplantation, and experienced strange things. He had to fight all night with a biker guy,for weeks, about who owns the body. And he got the heart of someone killed in a motorcycle accident. According to Lama Ole the heart carries the energy of the mind.
Also, my girlfriend was very sensitive, and she got some blood in the hospital (against her will), and she felt 3 different person's blood, and she could describe them. We don't have any proof, but she did some pretty amazing stuff before, so I believe her.
Oolong Rabbit
Oct 15 2007, 05:50 PM
QUOTE(Ian @ Oct 14 2007, 02:38 PM)

I'm interested to find out if any one knows any checkable resources on this subject. It is claimed in "The Heart's Code" by Paul Pearsall (and quoted by Mantak Chia in lectures) that an 8 year old girl was able to lead police to the killer of her 10 year old heart donor, by providing concrete information that could only have been known to the victim.
Has anyone ever looked into this? Is the girl's name ever quoted? Was there any confirmation from the police that this was indeed how the murder was solved?
I'm personally quite inclined to accept cellular memory, but when talking to beloved sceptics, I am forced to admit that all the evidence is distressingly anecdotal.
Any help?
I can't remember the guy's name, but Jeff Rense had a guest parapsychology speaker on (highly educated PHD). He said that there is much scientific evidence that the heart and especially the solar plexus have "thinking" capabilites and some cellular structures identical to the brain. I think they also talked about heart transplants etc briefly. I will see if I can track the name down.
On a similar note, I saw a documentary years ago called Walking After Midnight where a man was convicted of murder after a young Indian Girl claimed to be the reincarnation of his wife, and gave detailed testimony against him.
Just found the guy from Rense: Dean Radin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dean_Radinhttp://www.deanradin.com/http://www.amazon.com/Entangled-Minds-Extr...9017&sr=8-1If you are interested I can upload the mp3 interviews to a file share for you.
Oolong Rabbit
Oct 15 2007, 06:03 PM
Here's another link that gives a nice summary of what I mentioned earlier about the heart physiology having thinking capabilities:
Follow Your Heart
"...our hearts may actually be the
'intelligent force' behind the intuitive
thoughts and feelings we all experience."
Throughout the ages, the heart has been referred to as a source of not only virtue and love, but also of intelligence. One of the most prevalent themes in ancient traditions and inspirational writing is the heart as a flowing spring of intelligence.
Many ancient cultures, including the Mesopotamian, Egyptian, Babylonian, and Greek, assert that the heart is the primary organ responsible for influencing and directing our emotions and our decision-making ability. Similar perspectives of the heart as a source of intelligence are found in Hebrew, Christian, Chinese, Hindu, and Islamic traditions. For example, the Old Testament saying in Proverbs 23:7, "For as a man thinketh in his heart, so is he," is further developed in the New Testament in Luke 5:22, "What reason ye in your hearts?"
The characteristic of balance and the attainment of bodily equilibrium are also recognized as the essence of Yoga traditions, which identifies the heart as the seat of individual consciousness and the center of life. In traditional Chinese medicine, the heart is seen as the connection between the mind and the body, forming a bridge between the two.
Even with all these traditions and colorful heart metaphors, most of us have been taught that the heart is just a ten-ounce muscle that pumps blood and maintains circulation until we die. Medical science asserts that the brain rules all of the body's organs, including the heart. However, it is interesting to note that the heart starts beating in the unborn fetus even before the brain has been formed.
Neuroscientists have recently discovered exciting new information about the heart that makes us realize it's far more complex than we'd ever imagined. Instead of simply pumping blood, it may actually direct and align many systems in the body so that they can function in harmony with one another.
These scientists have found that the heart has its own independent nervous system – a complex system referred to as "the brain in the heart." There are at least forty thousand neurons (nerve cells) in the heart – as many as are found in various subcortical centers of the brain.
The heart communicates with the brain and the rest of the body in three ways documented by solid scientific evidence: neurologically (through transmissions of nerve impulses), biochemically (through hormones and neurotransmitters), and biophysically (through pressure waves). In addition, growing scientific evidence suggests that the heart may communicate with the brain and body in a fourth way – energetically (through electromagnetic field interactions). Through these biological communication systems, the heart has a significant influence on the function of our brains and all our Systems.
This new scientific evidence shows that the heart uses these methods to send our brain extensive emotional and intuitive signals. Along with this understanding that the heart is in constant communication with the brain, scientists are discovering that our hearts may actually be the "intelligent force" behind the intuitive thoughts and feelings we all experience.
Thanks to the discovery of heart intelligence, with its premise of the heart as a primary source of emotions, we have a new paradigm for understanding our emotions. With the strong scientific tie established between our wellness factor through emotional management. The more we learn to listen to and follow our heart intelligence, the more educated, balanced, and coherent our emotions become. And it naturally follows that the more balanced and coherent our emotions become, the less likely we will be to experience sickness and disease.
Because of the ever growing scientific research on heart intelligence, it may be time we developed a new personal attitude about following our hearts." http://www.therealessentials.com/followyourheart.html
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