I have recently had a revelation about the impression Max makes with people and the emphasis that is put on teachers.

Max is one of the most humble people I have ever met. I say this because in light of what I have seen him do he always maintains the self-image of a lowly servant.

In person he refuses to present himself as a Lama, Taoist master, or spiritual guru. Not that he isn't all of these things, because he is, but because he is very uncomfortable with the idea of being put on a pedestal. He consistently states that he only knows "a little bit" about what he teaches.

He is the one who taught me that "you need a teacher to show you that you don't need a teacher."

He even rejects the title of "teacher" as he prefers to think of teaching as just "friends sharing information."

Because of this perspective he presents himself as a regular guy. No robes, no bowing, no caste hierarchy. The problem with this is that some people NEED TO SEE the robes and whatnot in order to value the information they are getting and respect the person who is presenting it. This is part of the human psyche.

An exalted, dramatic presentation is absolutely necessary for some people because collectively we judge books by their cover.

The fact is that HE IS an amazing human being. He understands the process (with all of its weirdness) of opening the body and spirit to the Tao.

Let me elaborate on that last statement because there is a whole lot to it. When human beings move from a closed down mundane state to higher enlightened levels there are almost infinite variations of bodily processes and conditions one will experience. Max understands all of these. Whether it is shaking, heat, contorted yogic movements, changes in vision, the movement of energy in the body, changes in temperature, blacking out, nausea, emotional release, bliss, electrical sensations, magnetic sensations, circulation, spirit travel, etc., etc., he gets it.

I have seen so many people go through this process (each in their own bizarre way) and I am always amazed by the fact that he always knows not only what they are experiencing but also how to guide them through.

So if you are called to explore the methods you have read about in this forum, know that you are in the hands of an expert.

He may not impress you with his appearance, but that is kinda the point.


On being human:
Max is human like the rest of us. His body is slightly different in its functionality and sensitivity. He prefers the mountains or desert to busy cities. This is due to the erratic electrical and spiritual energy that can be found there.

San Francisco was a nightmare in terms of this because of the over head wire grid that spans the city and powers buses and trolly cars. After spending the day there the situation nearly got critical as it amped his system and cause severe inter-phasing. Inter-phasing is a condition of transitioning to a higher vibration. It can be extremely uncomfortable and even painful. It is like cranking up your own amperage.

In order for Max to stave off his final evolution he cannot allow a certain type of energy to express itself. If he does not, he will shift into Dragon Body (similar to Rainbow Body). If the process is allowed to begin it will move quickly.

We almost canceled the whole seminar because of this. Needless to say, Friday's talk was very strange. Max was having to try his best to speak, when all he really wanted to do was leave. Not the jovial entertaining vibe we usually enjoy. It was quite serious as we were watching him closely to make sure he was alright.

Anyway, the point of all of this is to illustrate that no matter what level you're at there are challenges. It isn't easy to be here and for the sake of our evolution, it isn't supposed to be.

Teachers are just people. Give them whatever respect you feel they deserve but don't ever put them above yourself.

If they put themselves above you, be careful.

Is that why he's not a fan of New York?

He seems to me like big kid.

When he was talking about "His aunties" in China the first day I met him. I don't know. Sort of just started to sink in how profound that was. Like even at the highest level we are all still just kids. Look at kids..all on the same level..just having fun.

It's all the adult crap that makes these heirarchies and levels and you need to bow down and you need to do this and you need to do that and nah nah nah.

Max doesn't teach awakening..he embodies it.

Also my other teacher who is a lady does but Max has the super level energy knowledge=cool.

Are you insinuating stuff like that is done for no reason and serves no purpose?

Thanks for the clarification.

Just curious, what exactly is Dragon Body, then? Is it also a similar full "conversion of matter into energy," daylight ascension? Or to ask another way, what is the difference between it and Rainbow Body?

And how do all these relate to "enlightenment?" I remember Max saying there were different types of enlightenment. What exactly is his definition?

Did I say I was insinuating it had no purpouse or reason tough guy?



No..the adult stuff can be fun to..actually it's the same thing.

Mantra,
Methinks you doth protest too much... You say that Max doesn't like titles, then what's up with Lama Dorje, a litany of masters, and the fact that he's mastered every spiritual discipline known to man? You say he doesn't like robes, what's up with the Chinese costume? You talk about him being a regular guy but then if the energy isn't just right in San Francisco he's going to metamorphosize or evolve into a spirt/dragon thing not to mention all the other superhuman things he talks about and tries to demonstrate in movies and photos? The inconsistencies are pervasive in everything we see and read about him. In a different thread someone recommended changing the name of this forum - I think that's a good idea. It needs to be called LamaDorjebums... It's really getting tiresome...
It's very telling to notice the change in your demeanor (and his other students') when one person criticizes Max. Are you that insecure? If he really is everything you think he is why are you so sensitive to one persons criticism? These are rhetorical questions intended for your consideration, no reply is needed or solicited...
I wish you and Max well. There is room for everyone on this beautiful planet.

its all good bro...but you dont need to explicitly say in order to insinuate but then again, misinterpretation is one of the many wonders of text communication!


Xuesheng...I've already seen all of those 'inconsistencies' explained sufficiently on this forum

To venture into the world of strangers and try to teach these things is a learning experience. There are many challenges along the way. One of them being that Max has the history that he does, and yet is presenting things on his own terms: removed from the trappings of the past so as to make things as accessible to others as possible.

It is important that we consider any misinterpretations of what we are trying to do and address them. He has earned his titles and his robes. He has the experience and the mastery and the right to present himself this way. He is now choosing not to for the reasons I have stated previously.

Some people can't wrap their brain around that. They think that when you get to a certain level you maintain the position and accept all of the adoration and relational imbalance that comes with it. He rejects that and remains humble looking only to empower others. The images (formal attire) we have available are the ones we present on the website.

In person (note: I said in person) he will not appear this way. We are going to change things all the way around eventually when we get the time.

We respect everyone and yes it is important to consider everyone's opinion. When I first read Hundun's response I was taken aback. I like Hundun and I know that he only wants to help others. I wish we could have talked more.

Despite the rough beginning (we were all pretty scrambled and made it known to the crowd), San Fran turned out to be a really great experience. Almost everyone there had major openings.

I know you can't please everyone, and we will never try, but because we do things differently feedback is important.

We don't claim to have a monopoly on enlightenment practices, everyone has their own path.

And no, we are not insecure, we simply care.

P.S. I just registered www.lamadorjebums.com

Your voice of max role is wearying.

Have you anything to say for yourself?

Just trying to help.

If you find it boring feel free to explore the billions of other web pages on the net. No one makes you read my bullshit.

You've not answered my question.

He's shared lots of his personal experiences Xenolith, just scroll through his posts. Why the hostility?

You misunderstand me Rabbit. No hostility here. I've scrolled beyond my tolerance for such activity...the results of which have borne my last post. Should I be misinformed in the supposition of said post, then please, show me the courtesy of informing me of such by referring me to these personal experiences of which you refer.

Lest mr. mantra think this a reprieve, my question remains, what have you to say for your own experience?

Love (gives freely).

xeno

Talk about wearying posts... Sounds like you're trying to start some shit. Max has lead an interesting life and I want to hear all about it. Max isn't going to post here, so Chris is the next best thing. Why is that a problem?

Just don't click on the topics with the words Lama Dorje, Kunlun, or Max Christensen and it will be like it doesn't even exist. It's that simple.

You misunderstand me also bindo. I'm just curious if mr. mantra has anything to report regarding his self and his self's experiences.

It's that simple

You make it difficult to know where you're coming from, or even what you are asking exactly. His experience with practicing what Max is teaching? Sorry if i misunderstood your previous posts.

With respect to all, I suggest that we allow mr. mantra to speak for himself. He has a self, separate from max... let's allow him to choose, on his own, to articulate his self's experience, or not.

Who is Max? is that Smile on this board?

Gosh xeno, I didn't know it meant so much to you. Finally someone cares about my thoughts, my ideas. Finally I can get out of the shadow of that Max guy!

Just kidding.

Is there something in particular you wanted to ask me?

I never shy away from a question. Be specific and I will do my best to oblige you.

I actually feel like I have said enough. I co-wrote Pillars of Bliss, in which I included my story in the forward of the book. This is available for all to read for free here.

Matthew,

Good to hear from you again! There are now two Max's around here. Big Max is at risingredphoenix.com and regular Max is still in NYC or thereabouts.

Yoda

Hi Max.

I dont need or want or expect robes or power holding personas. I get tired as hell of people holding their power and identity in front of them as if it were a shield for the sun to bounce off and blind you, or a bunch of flowers they cant stop sniffing.

I may however, need, want and expect some articulacy in response to a question.

I thought that Hundun did you a favour in recording the workshop for you. ( I recorded sessions I led, for years, and took them to a supervisor, and peer group. I learned a lot.If you guys listened to the tapes and figured out how to formulate some concise and satisfying answers, that'd be progress, right?)

If Max can learn to articulate clearly some answers, surely this would be a good thing.

Robes and Coloured Smoke are needed where there isnt substance.

What people want is substance.

I understand you feel that Max has that. Maybe he could articulate it in a more communicative way, and that would be a good, creative thing.

As you Americans say : just my two cents.

Just a thought..

I know it is sort of not the norm..but maybe when you have a teacher openly available to you(for who knows how long) who is basically holding back on his final evolution by eating junk food all day and being careful about stuff...

Well...maybe..just maybe..you can "think outside the box" a little and not be like a spoiled, demanding little brat asking the said teacher to articulate himself better.

Yes..it's a weird situation..guess what..we are in it.

I am still not buying into the whole junk food thing...its to keep him grounded,its OK because he's so powerful but dont get too close to powerlines...whatever.
I still want to know what position you are holding to make your legs tremble....almost curious enough to drop a whole 15 bucks on the book but not quite.

It is your God given right as a human being not to buy into things you don't want to buy into.

God Bless America!(Or wherver you live)

why buy the cow if you can get the milk for free?

is your curiosity worth a measly $15?

maybe, but at this point something about the whole Kunlun hype doesnt sit right with me...reminds me of an affordable, less arrogant version of the sean denty episode

Perhaps its because there isnt the whole secrecy thing behind the kunlun practice, whereas the Foundation stuff has that as a requirement. Kunlun is a simpler practice with less lofty goals/achievements, according to how I understand what I've seen on either. That's not to say Kunlun isnt a powerful practice, though.

You'll likely keep thinking that way until you either decide to buy the book, attend a seminar, or forget about it altogether. At least if you buy the book and try the practice for a while, you can make a more personally informed decision on whether you think the practice suits you or not - and only be out less than $20 if you decide you dont like it. If you decide you do like it, you've come across quite a deal Either way, your curiosity will be satisfied. I know I've paid plenty more than that in the past to have my curiosity satisfied, plenty of times with less than stellar or zero result. Its the price of a meal or a few drinks out at a bar

What's 'not sitting right?'

Max can give you all of the substance you can handle and then some.

As I said we were all a bit scrambled in San Francisco. It was intense and just plain weird. He didn't feel like doing the talk to start with but pushed through anyway.

We were very open with the people there about how we were all feeling so they knew what was up.

The seminar the next day was great though. Many people opened up and all seemed pretty much back to laughing and having a good time. We ended up turning things around.

Our free events in LA were much better. Lots of good info and yes, many clearly articulated answers. Way different experience.

Cameron I dont appreciate your rude and irrelevant to me answer. You obviously are attempting to learn to think outside the box and it's made you post online non stop and spin around like a top. Good for you. I threw the box away before you were born by the sound of it, so dont presume to me with your arrogant immaturity, thanks.



Sure thing. Like I said, it was just my two cents.

With Cameron as such a reactive guard dog you're in danger of getting a bad rep as a "The Untouchables" deal, I'd call of the dogs if I were you.

You would be surprised what starts to affect you when you open up. Why do you think all of the masters in the past would isolate themselves? It is because you start to feel everyone's stuff, I mean, shit.

I don't use that term lightly, people are constantly oozing shit-energy.

Shaman are basically shit-eaters. If you aspire to be a healer, get used to the taste.

The positive aspect of this is that you can more accurately tune into them to help them heal and balance.

Also, junk food is not to keep him grounded, he eats it because he likes it.


He is a sensitive guy. I don't control what he says and I don't pay him to say it.

I wish everyone would talk nicer to each other. I am really tired of all of the emotion. I like bliss.

In person, we would all get along. So much doesn't translate well through the written word.

Joeblast mentioned that he thought that "Kunlun is a simpler practice with less lofty goals/achievements." Max told me in a private session that this practice will take you back to the source, your own divine self, and you will become an Immortal. He also told me that if you combine Kunlun with the Red Phoenix exercise you can build the Golden Dragon body which he said is the highest state a Taoist can attain. According to Max then this practice has some very high goals one can achieve. Craig

I dont want to antagonize but the junk food thing is the issue that doesnt "sit right" with me.
The food I purchase and consume(voting with my $) is more important than any meditation practice I have ever done.When I purchase products for spiritual knowledge I dont like the idea that the person profiting is going to take that money and put it into the junk food matrix that is brainwashing children into eating that rubbish.I know many wont agree but it is really that simple...buying junk food = supporting a disease promoting industry.It is pure edible hot garbage that destroys the health of people and planet alike and I dont personally condone it in any form but realize it is a personal decision.

It is recommended to not consume any drugs but WTH do you think processed sugar and wheat are??Did you know that wheat is physically addictive??? I'll stick to eating my cannabis when I want a buzz thank you.

I also dont like the idea of do as I say not as I do...I prefer the lead by example school of thought.

Also the whole posture and shaking thing...I dont get it. I shake every day when I do my muscle balance routine for posture and it has nothing to do with the esoteric arts.People who do standing meditation shake...big deal....I suppose it has somehting to do with intent/expectation.

To his credit whenI hung out with Max he was also eating grapes.

I think Chris has sensatinalized the junk food angle a bit.

You have to understand Chris is like a rockstar..like Axle Rose or something..so these type of sensibilites don't occur to hum so much as getting the Rock 'n Roll Kunlun vibe out there.

People like Smile and others can sort of meticulusly go over things and make sure they are ok with Buddha or whatever.

Dude.

Craig, you'll notice that whenever I open my mouth (of sorts ) on stuff like that, I always word in some sort of disclaimer. All of this is as I understand it, from what I have seen in my own limited experience. I was comparing my understandings of Kunlun vs Lei Shen Dao, both of which it seems to me are high level practices. I think most will agree with me that the kunlun practice is more simple...(although anyone that knowns the LSD cant/wont talk about it, so that is pure speculation on my part...)

Cristoph...when your metabolism is super hopped up, you can eat damn near anything without it bothering you. Mine was like that growing up - I would frequently have 6000+ calorie days, especially if it was a sports season. I've naturally always stayed away from junk food for the most part, but back in the day I would eat stuff like doritos, oreos, ice cream - although my diet was mainly healthy food.
From what I understand on the shaking thing, its the specific posture that is responsible...

Great kid analogy... my kids can pretty much eat anything and thrive on it with the exception of pure candy... it's amazing. I'd imagine Max is like that. I read one of the posts said that he can eat mercury which *might* mean he could plow through a few bags of Halloween candy.

Drinking mercury is a serious siddhi, btw... don't try that one at home!! I've heard that when a master can do it, that it's an actual practice... they actually do it and it helps them do yet freakier siddhis.

Cam & Cat... you both rock! Let's all be pals!

I've noticed in my travels that there are many enlightened - realized - evolved - beings who eat junk food.
Some say they can transmute it. Some say they eat what they are given.
Some die young of disease, some live a bit longer. There are many factors involved genes being one.
It takes time for transgressions of ones body to find a form of disease. It doesn't happen overnight.
So yes when we are young it may appear that we can eat anything - eventually it will catch up to us.
It sounds like we have a power when we say we can transmute it.
My own feeling re saints and diet is that they are not evolved in all areas of life. They're good at what they do
but they are still in a human body and the nature of the body is to eventually decay.
I have no concept of what a dragon body or a golden body is. I can dream about them -
maybe I'll have one someday but untill then I will treat this earth body with respect - it is
made from the same stuff as the rest of the world. Without it I wouldn't be able to strive for my golden dragon body.
One of my teachers used to say "All the time you thought you were enjoying your pleasures they were enjoying you"

Very kind of you to inform me/us of such. For my part you've grown in integrity for it.

Thank you.

As a friendly suggestion, you may want to tone down the pimp persona in favor of a more disciple one. When coupled with anecdotal information, regarding your own experience, your, and max's credibility would be enhanced.

It may be asking more than the business plan can accommodate to request that the "it's so wonderful but I can't tell you about it" shtick be abandoned, but doing so would also enhance y'all's credibility.

Thanks again and Peace.

xeno

Re: the diet thing...

An internal martial arts teacher that I studied with for a while had dietary habits that would ruin most people, but he just kept getting stronger.. and stronger. That system produced a strong heaven~body~earth integration ... uniting those major forces through the body produced profound changes, over time, .. he just didn't dissipate like other people but was at the center of a very powerful triad.

I'm not implying anything about justifying one way or the other, but just a related note - maybe something about the mechanics of it.

~ later edit ~
... and certainly not recommending it.

Amituofo.
Somewhere a baby cow is crying....

Yes some might be able to pull it off.
Also we don't know how strong he would be if he had good habits.
Where is he today healthwise and how old is he.
It's really an unknown I'd rather not play with.

You can call him Big Max or i like calling him Maximus. Kinda fits him i think.

I'd like to meet this dude, sounds like a cool guy.

Hi Cat,

That post wasn't directed towards you

Peace

That's an interesting and important comment, I think. When we open up, are we feeling everyone else's stuff? Lately, it seems to me that as we open up we are feeling ourselves and how we project our stuff on the our image of what's around us. To me, it's about me, not them...

I changed his # on my phone to Maximus. I had it under this Egyptian name since I couldn't use Max(Smile) already there. But Maximus sounds cooler and more connected to a framwork and concepts that isn't too, too far out.

I would like to know how important it is to receive the energy transfer instead of just getting the book and practicing. Has anyone practiced by the book and then got the energy transfer later? Was there a big difference? Has anyone practice by just the book and gotten results? I live on the east coast so I am thinking about just getting the book and doing the exercise but would love some feedback-Bill Bergin.

I got the book and practiced about two weeks before the seminar in August. I had a few things happening, like the body circling. When I went to the seminar Max corrected a few things I was doing wrong and told me to be more like water as I had too much fire energy inside of me. My practice is much different now. I feel lots of changes happening and my dreams are becoming interesting. There are other things that Max teaches at the seminar like Red Phoenix, standing Maoshan 5 elements, spirit travel, and 3 pts healing method. This is also just the Level 1 seminar. I suppose there will be a Level 2 workshop in the future.

I told Max that there were a lot of people who were talking about just reading the book and trying to get the transmission through the dream state and his reply to me was that you only have to see him one time. I know for myself that it helped me a lot by attending the seminar.

I would just use your intuition and see how drawn you are to this practice.

Craig

The basic kunlun is an unusually effective method; it's more likely than most to generate good results with or without transmission, imo. As far as learning the mechanics of it, you might get some finesse instruction in person, but the basic practice is clear in the book - and you can learn it in about 30 seconds (it's that simple). If you can't (or don't want to) go to a seminar I certainly wouldn't let that hinder you from taking it up solely from the book (link).

This practice easily makes it into the category of "most effective practices I've ever tried". Harmonizing, nourishing.
* wow, can't believe I just said that *

rare words of praise from Trunk!