i've bought this from gnc and they come in 2000mg bottles. anyone ever taken this before?

When i took it,it was somewhat like drinking a red bull.My brain was buzzing from early morning to 1 am the following day.I couldnt sleep at all that night.My body was hot and very agitated.My mind/shen was all scattered.So basically you could say this herb made me extreme yang


My teacher only reccomends taking this if your very weak and lacking in vitatlity,if your old and if your pregnant

but if your young and healthy its not really going to benefit you

hmm yeah i suppose. the first bottle i drank made me feel a little weird and concentrated but now they don't really do nothing - nothing i notice anyways. but then again when i drink them i'm never tired lol! it's not jittery like caffeine it's just as if being tired doesn't exist.

If your really into Chinese herbs i would suggest finding a good herbalist in your local china town and get him to give you a basic check over(pulse,tongue etc)A good chinese doctor can know everything about your health by simply feeling your pulse .From there he can put you on a program that might even involve some accupunture to bring your body to optimul health

no chinese people in miami - i might be going to college to become a licensed acupuncturist though.

not all ginsengs are equal.

the term 'red' usually referes to some form of proccessing. this processing results in making the herb more yang.
this can cause excessive stimulation of the sympathetic nervous system = increased heartrate, wakefullness etc.
it might feel like this is 'giving' you more energy, but it's actually using up energy because it's stimulating the body which can be taxing to the adrenals/kidneys

the wild, large ginsengs can be qualitatively different though. my teacher tells me that they are highly sought after, and great care is taken to harvest and clean them. they can actually have a nourishing affect on the body which is the opposite of the cheaper processed varieties.

Yeah, red ginseng is a stimulant that brings the system out of balance just like coffe or any other stimulant.

Try American Ginseng instead. This herb is both good for the bloodsugar aswell as harmonizing the heartrate, and at the same time it gives energy and hightened awareness. The fun thing is that Panax Ginseng is one of the most exported herbs from asia to America. The herbs that is most exported from America is American Ginseng. Guess where it goes... to asia. When the asian herb doctors found American Ginseng they exported so much it was almost extinct, but thats not a problem anymore.

I second this advice. If you are going to take the western approach to supplements and select herbs one at a time to take you would be better off with American ginseng (Panax quinquefolium).

Might I suggest another great tonic which is not overly yang promoting - Siberian Ginseng (eleutherococcus senticosus). This is not a true ginseng, but it is a great tonic. I STRONGLY suggest that you not buy Siberian ginseng extract as it is not good quality at all. Get a straight powder. This herb is a great adaptogen which can provide quality energy without taxing the system as Panax ginseng can do.

Beyond that I suggest you investigate more balanced approaches to herbal supplementation.

My favorite company who has proven quality and good balanced formulae is DragonHerbs (dragonherbs.com)

No, I am not at all affiliated with this company. But People who have been here long enough know that I always recommend them.

Anyway, Siberian Ginseng, eleutherococcus senticosus is a great single herb which I believe would give little to no risk of unbalancing anyone's system.

Craig

I agree with Craig.

Dragonherbs is The Bomb.

As everyone knows my favorite formula from them is Tao in a Bottle.

It's also one of the more affordable formulas..some of the other formulas like Heaven Drops(like $350 bottle of Ginseng) might be good after your a millionaire..even then I like TIB the best.

c

By the way Cameron. When I was taking a lot of tonic and stimulating herbs more than a year ago I consulted with someone there at Dragonherbs and he recommended Bupleurum & Dragonbone formula. Very good for cooling your jets and balancing out heat.

Perhaps you could try that one?

Anyway, you can call for a consultation/recommendation by and actual herbalist/TCM Doctor. Check it out.

Craig

Their Website seems to be down currently for maintenance.

They have a online catolog up and you can do orders over the phone.

They also do FREE consultations with tonic herbalists.

I used to take advantage of that quite a bit when I first got into it.

He does have a "100 days" program which is great also..




I probably took that one at some point

Tao in a bottle is a Spirit(shen) stabilizing formula. I just started taking it again and it does help.

The Kunlun energies IMHO are more powerful than whatever people are cultivating on other paths though..so it still gets intense at times.

does red phoenix make you feel like you just smoked 5 blunts that are dipped in acid

Thanks Cameron...

I will try Tao in a Bottle I guess. I also saw something called Eagle Vision on the list. I have really bad eyes and this would probably help. Has any one tried this?

Also, I was not too sure if two herbal preparations can be tried at once?

If you want an all around formula he says if you only take 1 formula from him take Super Adoptogen.

I like TIB better because it has Theanine.

Another really good one is Supreme Protector which is a Shen tonic.

lol i see theanine has psychoactive properties.. legal drug eh

Basically..without the crappy side effects from acid and taxing your jing and making you feel like shit the next day.

RP is the bomb but My little humble don't know shit Rabbit opinion is people would do well doing Level One for some time first.

It's sort of like..here is the high(highest?) level before you even figured out/cleared basic garbage in your lower centers.

I mean..it can be fun still...I don't know.

I want Yoda to learn it and come back and just tell the board Cam is a pussy

push it cam push it real good

Yeah! Tao in a Bottle is awesome! Source Naturals has a great product called Theanine Serene which I've used many times and it's a lot cheaper than TIB. I like Dragon Herbs and Eastearthherb.com-their brand-Long Hay Flat 8:1 quality extracts,great company! And FourSeasonsHerbs.com, Ron Teeguarden's old company. Small time, nice people (Diane & Scott), excellent quality herbs,4 or 5:1, less expensive than DH. Their Black Dragon formula is great! So is Athletic Power Drops.

Also, at East Earth Trade, they sell the Sanjiu concentrated powdered extracts so you can make your own formulas easily.

Ummm..no wierd shit either...

Basically..like the clean spiritual buzz from psychadelics..the love...the openess..the innocence.

WITHOUT ANY OF THE WIERD SHIT.

Yeah, I like Tao in a Bottle, but any good quality Theanine, even just straight Theanine will do the trick.
Psychoactive is not accurate. It does promote relaxation, calmness though, and very effectively.

Source Naturals is a good company. I like NOW foods. They have a Theanine and green tea product which is effective and a good value. That's my recommendation if you are looking for the best priced item that works.

I recommend Dragonherbs because of my experience of their quality and from what I know about the quality control and sourcing work they do. Not all herbs are created equal. Also, the terms 8:1 , 4:1 etc are almost next to meaningless. They do not refer to a standard of any kind, not only that but there is no regulation about what constitutes an 8:1 or 4:1 or whatever ratio. It depends on the manufacturing process. When you can it is best to go with liquid extracts. In my case, making comparison between Dragonherbs liquid extracts and other companies with individual extracts that I am familiar with I have to say my experience was that Dragonherbs were far superior to most other manufacturers out there. This coupled with my subjective experience of their effect on my system led me to conclude that they are among the best products out there.

Still, there are more good companies out there. thanks for the recommendations.

Craig

hmm tao in a bottle is only $30... i might have to check that out

The ratio's are the same for everyone. The industry standard is 4:1. But you're right, the manufacturing process and the quality of herbs makes all the difference in the world. That's why Dragon Eggs had the most potent products out there. They used 6-11:1, depending on the formula, supreme grade herbs, and a low temperature, water and alcohol, full extraction. 1-5 drops is all you needed to take. I've been using there products for 23 years. They're out of business now, thanks to the gov't, but I bought a lot of product before it all disappeared. Their other line, Jade Medicine/Herbals was great too.

wait the dragonherbs site is dead? oh man what the hell i'll never be able to try tao in a bottle now ;_;

http://www.yahwehsaliveandwell.com/starter.html

Check this out, you can buy it here...

Bindo
I couldn't agree with you more. Jade Medicine and Dragon eggs were excellent products, I used them myself.

I don't think it was the government which brought this company down from what I remember.

Now you have piqued my curiosity. What happened with the govt??

Craig




Dude, relax, they are doing a major revamp of their website.
The site you found is ancient history, I don't know if you can actually order from there.

Just call them up.
888-55-TONIC

or 310-917-2288 (Santa Monica, CA).

They have a beautiful catalog, I don't know if they charge for it, but you could ask.

Step away from the computer and pick up the phone

Or do what I do and get a VOIP service like SKYPE and stay on the computer and pick up the phone

Craig

I was told the gov't required them to test all of the herbs they use at a cost of nearly $10,000 per herb. Test for what, I'm not sure, but they decided to just close their doors.

Lawyer fee's, testing fee's, and loss of sales were too big of a hole to climb out of I guess.

The owner of eastearthtrade.com was the source of this info if I remember correctly. I think he was somehow involved with Dragon Eggs in the past. Anyway, he's very well connected in the industry.

Gordon

This works..I ordered a week ago and even got my stuff delivered..

wow, just checked out dragon herbs, and seems like there's a whole bunch of stuff I want to buy. However, I'm having trouble figuring out if I need to build up more yang, or more ying, or both. I was hoping maybe someone on this forum could help out. Lately, I've been feeling really cold (might have something to do with winter), and at social gatherings with a lot of ppl I don't do much talking. I don't know if this means I'm more yin at this point in time or what. I do have more energy than usual though ever since I've been eating healthier (which is Yang). Should I just start off with the starter program?

Thanks

Also, does anyone know whether or not they deliver to Canada?

The starter program is excellent. Maybe add some Buddha's Yang in small amounts to start with. You could even add a lung formula, seeing that it's the fall/metal season. Time to tonify the lungs.

I don't see why they wouldn't ship to Canada.

Hey Bindo,
Thanks man, I'll try it out.

Have not been reading this thread, my herbal knowledge is specific rather than broad but....



This is the firt time that I'm actually intrested in red phoenix
The general opinion seems to be that it is just a weird experience with no actually benefites.
Sounds just like a blunt