Well this isn't really about ejaculation control in the conventional sense.

I want to know more about the ability to orgasm without actually leaking any ejaculate.

At the moment I'm trying to introduce my boyfriend to tantra. He is not very spiritual, but is very open-minded, and understands deep emotional concepts. He has never done any spiritual practice before, but I just want to show him the physical benefits first before throwing him in at the deep end.

He's 21, gets hard easily, and keeps it quite well depending on the position, and can last very long if need be. He has excellent ejaculation control due to years of 'stop-starting' type of masturbation. In fact sometimes he has trouble coming, (it has nothing to do with over-masturbating or excessive porn).


Anyway, I am familiar with basic taosim, and have heard that there is a spot between the anus and balls that feels like a round indent in the skin. When a man approaches orgasm, and squeezes his pc muscles really tight, along with pressing this spot he can stop himself ejaculating, - whilst still having an orgasm.

Can anyone tell me more about this?

Read Trunk's stuff on that topic on alchemicaltaoism, he's got a good writeup on the pitfalls of 'manual assistance.' Doing that still leads the jing from its residence, so to speak. As far as a prostate og without ejaculation...no experience there But as I understand its going to require plenty of training to do.

sigh, this is all this neotantrism crap i fell into.

to be quite bland

there is no orgasm without ejaculating. say this to yourself over and over and over and over again. and then some more.

it's all jargon that these snake oil salesmen (LOL xenolith) who claim to know tantra are trying to sell to you. this does not mean having sex without ejaculating does not feel good. recognize the difference. move the energy up to your head. just do it.

the only reason one would want to orgasm without ejaculation is because they want the benefits of keeping the sperm while still having quote "great sex." the whole point of not having an orgasm has been misunderstood. it is like the vajroli mudra, they are nitpicking at a loop hole here.

stop thinking of sex as something you will orgasm from and then it will be over. look at the root and ask yourself why do you still want to orgasm? treat sex as a divine ritual.

Mmmm Agree with everything except for.



Supprised that you would say that, espicially with you good retention habbits. Sure it doens't feel the same, but I have something that I would call an orgasm without ejaculation. I will have to give your post some thought.

As to the orginal post, check out Trunks site (excellent) and espicially the info from Dr Lyn. I like his method, some fun things in there for both of you

look deeper in my post.



calling it an orgasm will make the ego expect something intense and fast, as is the nature of an orgasm. if you practice without looking for anything you will surely find

Yep, in my experience, there is definitely orgasm without ejaculation. I practice it about every two or three weeks as part of my celibacy practice. There is a point just before the point of no return when the orgasm takes place that is perhaps energetic rather than biological (involving the ejaculatory reflex); however, other bio mechanisms are in operation also like changes in brain chemistry such as increases dopamine and serotonin etc., so it would be inaccurate to suggest there are no bio-relations involved. By doing this, one can have as many orgasms as one likes during sex or auto-stimulation. I believe Yogani promotes a version of this, which is said to help develop kundalini activity and the nervous system in general; further suggesting it evolves into something profoundly energetic and consciousness affecting.

In kind regards,

Adam.

Sorry for the "crude" questioning, but this subject needs some direct questions sometimes.
1) So, when you have an Orgasm WithOut Ejaculation (let's call it "OWOE"), does that mean you are getting the same kind of feeling of "release" that a normal orgasm provides.
-- I hope that anyone else can answer this one as well, regardless of whether you classify it as an OWOE or not.
2) Are the orgasmic sensations "localised" or moved to some other area of the body
3) Does your practice tend towards more "tension & restraint" or "relaxation"

It would be great if you could share with us what techniques/skills you use & follow to achieve OWOE (as long as what you are practicing is not some kind of "inverted orgasm" i.e. ejaculating into the bladder)

Hey there,

I would say an orgasm without ejaculation is similar to what a female experiences when they have those little clitoral mini orgasms that lead up to a full blown 'orgasm' proper, in the normal use of the word. A male, on average, as I see it, may have one or two of these mini’s in a row, over a second or two, any more, and he will cross the point of no return and move into a full blown orgasm proper, and ejaculation. Whereas, females seem to have many of these mini's with increasing intensity, usually resulting in orgasm proper at some point.

I don't think these mini's without ejaculation for a male are particularly helpful for anything specific, they just result in a heightened flow of energy throughout the nervous system and a sexually satisfied, homeostatic state of well being, without the apparent loss of energy or other deleterious properties of ejaculation. One can practice celibacy, conservation and transmutation and still have occasional (or regular) sexual gratification without the apparent deleterious impacts on the nervous system by this means (as I have done, mostly, for about ten years). However, as a side note, I have practiced celibacy entirely uninterrupted by any sexual activity whatsoever, for periods of about six months, without nocturnal emissions, and the affects on my consciousness were far more profound than any sexual practices I have so are explored; so I do not recommend the use of mini’s for any spiritual or consciousness raising purposes, as, in my experience, absolute celibacy in combination with meditation and sexual transformational work is the most profound and direct methods to realisation I have so far experimented with. And for the record, no I am not realised or enlightened by any means or categorical standard, but I have had glimpses that are inconceivable to those who have not, and these have followed from meditation proper. What the Indian yogis would call Samadhi.

Any benefits one gets outside the sexual realm, I believe could be more effectively achieved through meditation and or pranayama; thus, I do not do it for that. Yogani, as I understand it, suggests the benefits of tantric sex, with repeated restraint before the point of no return has great beneficial effects on the nervous system and consciousness, I suspect he is right, but I do not practice it, nor am I inclined to. This is because I have never experienced anything in this world that remotely compares to Samadhi as a result of absorption in consciousness through meditation; therefore, I am just not that interested in sex or anything else of this world - by comparison. To be clear, I am very interested in this world and the experiences there of, as they are the exploration and expression of my infinity, yet, my experience is such that, absorption in consciousness is where we find that which all life forms are seeking externally - whether consciously or unconsciously. Yet, once found, one seeks to bring that consciousness into the world, not reject it, so that is not what I am saying at all. :-)

In kind regards,

Adam.

dudes, kill the motor one sec
before starting to write long lists of philosophical debates, try to define orgasm

orgasm = ?

and start it from there

my take: orgasm is a general term for a variety of states... no one feels the orgasm EXACTLY the way others do... this happens especially if you try and educate your sexual life. the larger the education, the larger the variety. as with food, there are two distinctions: gourmand, and gourmet.
the one that has to have it all, and now, and the one that is more inclined in savouring, quality like.

also we could try the latin and greek definition

also the biological definition

please stop making general sentence-like assumptions

we are unique and we experiment these things unique.
those that prefer not educating sexual life, dont worry, you are still educated, by social unwritten rules
the funniest thing about spontaneity and naturalness is that it has to be (re)learned

Have fun

I was thinking about the whole "enlightenment" thing, and I would be careful with using that term. Please understand that the following comment is not meant to criticize the path you have chosen, though, as I'm sure that you find your practice to be extremely fulfilling (and probably rightly so).

Many spiritual traditions have defined a variety of techniques that, when used consistently and assiduously, may lead people to experience a sustainable and highly blissful altered state of consciousness. This state is often called "enlightenment", and achieving it can be a worthwhile goal for people who have an inclination for such a quest.

But is "enlightenment" the sole province of monks and mystics? What about two persons who have been living together in harmony for decades, and who experience a fulfilling love? Considering the challenges involved with long-term intimacy with another human being, could we call these people "enlightened"? What about a person who can consistently experience being "in the zone" through sheer mastery of an art or discipline? Are they "enlightened"? All these experiences differ from being "enlightened" through the rigorous adherence to a spiritual path, obviously, but there is no doubt that many people would consider such achievements to be as worthwhile (or perhaps even more) than "spiritual enlightenment".

If the roads to enlightenment are many, it may be possible that worthwhile destinations are many too.

Am I making sense?



I just want to say that I really like your way of seeing things.

I teach sex ed, by the way.

this is going to end up bad.

I just speak of my personal experience and experimentations. Also, my personal intuitions and research. These are are qualified by 'my...' or, 'I would argue..' or, 'in my view...' That is all we can do, from my perspective, any absolutist statements or assumptions would seem to be indefensible and entirely too problematic to make. So, I don't think they contribute anything constructive to the conversation; therefore, I try not to make use of them.

It is clear to me, however, that in addition to the above personal insights - of whatever value they may be - we can do cross cultural research and see what is consistent throughout the historical documentation of human experience - particularly the mystics, but humans in general.

In kind regards,

Adam.

thank you, Queer Tribal, what a nice name, i wonder what you mean with that name
also Adam West sounds to me likehomo vesticus... that is, the western man, with the western mindset
what a nice company here, huh?

Hahaha... I'm not to sure what you mean here... are you trying to insult me... or just being funny? In any case, I enjoyed the laugh... Thanks, most amusing to be sure!

In kind regards,

Adam.

yeap, I see yo'r having a blast. not insulting, you nice fella'

Hi Mantis,

Told you I would think about this and I'm glad I did. I must admit was expecting "something" from sex without ejaculation. I had my own ideas of what this would be like, rather than just being in the now and experiencing it.

Thanks you.

p.s. High school girls might not be intrested, but real women will love you, hang in there.

My zine is called Queer Tribes, and it's about queer tribes. Since I'm queer, and I have my own tribe, that makes me Queer Tribal. Witness the depth of my insight.

I stand rebuked