Tao Bums,

I emailed the KunlunBliss site about opening a Kunlun forum (no response yet). I got this idea from reading one of Cameron's posts. I'm sure that others are way ahead of me. There are many who are more experienced with Kunlun than I am.

I'm not a Kunlun expert; I only know what I read in the book, 'Pillars of Bliss', and what I've experienced as a result.

I love The Tao Bums forum. It's like being a member of an extended family and going home and talking with my brothers and sisters. There's a subtle interplay of harmony and love, with just a little bit (or sometimes a lot!) of childish tantrum thrown in.

There are a lot of opinions voiced on TTB. Some have been accused of arrogance in their posts. I believe I learn the most from the posts that totally incense me. They show me my own flaws.

I think that maybe I've been arrogant in some of my posts. I apologize. I confess that I know far less than I wish I did. Please forgive me.

The thought behind a Kunlun forum is one of sharing and support between those on a similar path. That's not meant to take away anything from this forum.

There seems to be an infinite number of paths to the infinite. These days, I tend to listen to those who give me the tools and encourage me to find my own way. That's me. I respect all of you.

I wish all of you well.

AugustLeo

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I think it's a cool idea, in fact I've been talking with Mantra about doing whatever I can to help him setup and manage a forum on kunlunbliss.com. I think his concern is that he is too busy too really maintain a forum there. Another idea I've been trying to get him interested in but so far no bites, is instead of selling the pillars of bliss just as a paperback, making it a "living document" online that you pay, you know, $10-25 one time or even per year or something to get access to it, and it's refined and updated here and there as the teaching evolves, with a growing question/answer FAQ, maybe access to a members-only section of the forum, etc. That way its not such a big deal to release a whole new version of the book in print form, if something is not working, they can just go in and reword a paragraph or two, add a picture here and there.

Sean

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Not that there still wouldn't still be some kunlun discussion here, of course, but in addition to TTBs, a kunlun forum would be a good idea - for the ideas mentioned. Just for the record, it was never my intent to have kunlun discussion stop here, nor for Mantra to "leave" (even though I worded harshly at one point)... but a kunlun forum in addition. As others have said, seems like a healthy natural progression that'll happen by & by.

I am open to it. We are playing with the idea.

Sean, shoot me PM and we'll see what we can do, man.

Thanks.

Why not just start a Kunlun Forum here? Make it for Kunlun people and give a Kunlun person moderator powers.

The one thing that makes me want a separate forum is that Chris would likely speak more freely there so we'd get better backstage info.

I like the $20 a year thing... it'll keep the hecklers out! And maybe even the black government, too!

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If it does happen, I'm glad Sean will be involved in running both forums... his webmaster energy just can't be beat!!

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The conversation in a "school setting" compared to "unaffiliated bums" has some really fundamental differences. Each valuable, each has its +'s and -'s, they complement each other, both in the same place make each less than they could be, imo.

What a lot of groups do is have a general public section open for everyone and a private section for workshop alumni, etc.

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Personally, I think a seperate board would be a great idea for those who are getting deeper and deeper into it.
I believe having a private Kunlun is good the private board could be for those who are yearning for more experiences and are opening up more and more, and would like others who are going through a similar path to talk to about it. However, it may also be a good idea to have some sort of Kunlun presence on the Tao bums forum also to provide "basic" information to those who have not yet heard of Kunlun, and are seeking spiritual practices in their life. Some of them may be interested in Kunlun, but if we are locked away in a private area discussing it, it may not get out to them.

Just my thoughts,

Ben

Hopefully such a forum would be open to those who are serious about their Kunlun practice, even if they haven't yet had an opportunity to attend a workshop and get the transmission from Max (me, for instance )

AugustLeo

as long as WYG is allowed to join, i'll be there for the cat fights.
it just wouldn't be the same without him

kunlun rox hissss!
what is bliss rawrr!! max sux but teach me rwarAWER#@)#@

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agreed on a full separate forum for Kunlun. It wouldn't be fair to have Sean run it, imho.

But, I think in the meantime what we could do is set up a Kunlun section in the private practice area. - it's not as public, someone would have some control over it (I vote for Yoda!) and the private practice area works like a mini forum anyway, with separate topics/threads and everything... I think it's a great immediate sollution - it would free up the main TB area for non-kunlun discussion, and people who're uninterested will keep away and not be bombarded with Kunlun themed discussion in the main forum, and so would have no excuse for trolling and causing trouble.

what do you reckon?



I interepreted absolutely no disrespect in what mikaelz wrote - if anything, he was making fun of WYG... so that's why I vote for Yoda as moderator.

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I like the idea of a private forum for those who are actually doing the practice. We have been through enough defending of Kunlun that now it would be good to just focus on the issues that come up and the shared experiences without all the noise from those outside of the experience.

Maybe charging a small fee would be good. It could keep Sean supported and create a real sense of value in the minds of those who are participating in the in-depth discussions.

I'd be willing to pay a fee for such a forum.

AugustLeo

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ah, well in that case I'd love it if Sean would run/set up a forum - I didn't think it would be fair for us to hassle him until he did. If he's willing, then great.





I do agree. Although your millitant approach to developing harmony does make me giggle.

just my two handfulls of bs

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consider the slack cut.

Well I wish everyone well if there's a Fee-based Kunlun board. I won't be able to join. I'm unemployed so every penny I have is watched over like a hawk.

Best wishes to you all.

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Guys the Kunlun Only Forum, can exist here, right now. In a form that gives pretty good control to who ever wants to be the SYSOP.

What I mean is Mr. KUNLUN should start the KUNLUN FORUM in the Personal Practice section(Chris?). There can be subheaders for Practice, Philosophy, Problems, Brickbats and Kudos. I don't think Sean would object. It might clear up the main discussion board a bit and we can always reroute Kunlun questions there.

Best of all Mr Kunlun acting as the SYstemOperator could delete(ruthlessly or not) whatever posts they wished. Give warning(?) and delete to your hearts content. You play the sysop the board equivalent of king. For practice I just deleted posts from my Personal Page.

Hit a button they're gone. If the world worked this way it would be happier and much less populated.


Michael

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I'm willing to commit to paying the other half, if that's how it turns out.

AugustLeo

I just pm'd you Mantra.

I'm hesitant to create a Kunlun-only subforum here because I think part of the vibe here is that The Tao Bums is system agnostic, it's more for discussing how each of our paths intersect. Creating a kunlun-only forum would kind of open the floodgates to potentially creating dozens of other subforums for all the other great systems people are approaching, you know?

I'm totally wiling to help setup and even moderate if needed a kunlun forum over at kunlunbliss.com.

The idea about the paid access had more to do with the way the next incarnation of the pillars of bliss BOOK be distributed. Instead of selling it as a paperback, I suggested making the book digital and cost $25 one time or even yearly to get access to, with the understanding that its a work in progress and you will get access to free updates, etc. We could even automatically give free access to anyone who has already purchased the paperback by importing the Lulu purchase database with the membership software database, so people who already paid for the paperback and have limited funds don't have to pay again.

Sean

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I think a Kunlun forum has the participation level to thrive on its own and with Sean taking the helm, that'd be way too cool. Chris will post more often and I think Cam is right... I bet Max would post too! Let's do it!

My vote is to go with a free Kunlun site and open to absolutely anyone.

Heckler posts and debates between rival schools of thought can be carried out here on taobums and not tolerated on the Kunlun site... that keeps both taobums and the Kunlun sites true to their respective missions.

That's just it... both sites have different missions, energies and destinies and they are working against each other presently.

Yoda

Sean,

No need to set up a forum i wont be posting anything negative towards Kunlun neigung or Max, i do like to question some of there practices and find out more of how and why they say it works.

WYG

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I'll be happy to accept whatever 'entrance requirements' that Max and Mantra68 decide upon.

AugustLeo

This is why I think it makes sense to make book purchase tied in with forum membership. That way it's not just an arbitrary payment for forum access, it's just that you need to own the book to be part of the discussion. There could also be a second level to the forum available only to those that have attended seminars.

ie:

Lobby (anyone, including guests can post)
Pillars of Bliss (general members area for people who at least own book)
Golden Dragon (people who have attended at least one seminar)
Alien Mothership (for members who have returned from alien space voyages)
etc.



Sean

Cam,

I see what you are saying... good point.

WYG,

Your posts have focused the issue but that's a good thing, no problem with that.

Sean,

Too damn funny!! This isn't a democracy... let's do whatever you and Chris decide on.

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Count me in

As far as Masters posting on forums. Qigong master Chunyi Lin and Jim Nance do PHONE healing.

The voice is the "generative force" or bliss energy -- and the phone is a really good way to do a transmission.

The best is eye to eye of course.

Neither is available over the computer really.

This is why I listened to Max's radio interview -- while I really saw no point in watching the videos.

I'll watch them when I get a chance as the John Chang video is certainly inspiring! haha.

There's a difference between inspiration and energy tranmission.

For example click on the "IN THE NEWS" section of http://springforestqigong.com

There's 3 free radio interviews with qigong master Chunyi Lin. In the final one he does a phone healing with the D.J. It's pretty cool.

See here's an example of the "group phone healings" that Master Chunyi Lin is doing.

http://www.learningstrategies.com/forum/sh...age=1#Post64295

Is there that much "secret" stuff really happening? A forum to discuss a practice where all you need to do is let go? And you use to practice by yourself for 7 or 8 years.

Guess I have to wait for the transmission, still ........ sounds interesting ?!?



I DO like to play devil's advocate the positives mentioned are all correct, but this is not that appealing to me. The thing I like most about TTB are the people. People are always going to say things you don't like, and you can (should ?) learn to deal with that.

I'm not actually on any other boards. (Work thing, my excuse for surfing here is because it's my religion)

I don't like to pay $$ for information. If its good enough people will want to pay. Which is why I eventually subscribed here, realized I'd been getting better info that most of the books I'd paid for this year

I don't really want to know what people who have done more practice than me are dealing with. It's a psychology thing, just see how many questions get a "me to" answer here. And it pre-disposes people to look for those experiences (Actually that's probably a vote for Sean's separate level idea, oh well )

Most of all. I would miss you all if you disappeared from here.

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I would like to see them continue here too , But a board on the actual kunlunbliss .com would make sense , especially for people worried about what is happening what they are experiencing. We (TTB) are top goggle hit for kunlun bliss

Especially if Max would like to communicate with past / prospective students that way, I would be very interested. It seems like Australia might be a while off...

That's a good point too. Even if the discussion doesn't change even in the slightest by creating a separate forum, I think the number of Kunlun practitioners online will rise sharply.

The workshop I was at, I vibed out the room for what people would be into I got that the largest group weren't interested in chatting online, and then the next group were people who would be interested in a Kunlun specific group not to hang out on but to occasionally ask practice related questions about specific issues who would be repelled by taobums.

Personally, I have more posting energy than I have forums so I need another forum made so I can run my mouth more! I'll definitely stay a taobum... there's no way a Kunlun specific forum can be as sassy and free as taobums... taobums is the playground and the Kunlun forum will be the classroom... like that.

vibe on this board ? this board might as well be called "the kunlun bums", there is 8 topics in general that all deal with kunlun and they are pretty much the only active topics. if it isn't about kunlun people aren't posting in it.

this forums statement is made once you visit the main page



sounds like this has been lost and if you don't like kunlun you're "badmouthing" it.

Who are these people, these faces? Where do they come from? They look like caricatures of used car dealers from Dallas, and sweet Jesus, there were a hell of a lot of them at 4:30 on a Sunday morning, still humping the American dream, that vision of the big winner somehow emerging from the last minute pre-dawn chaos of a stale Vegas casino.

I agree. Too much of one subject creates a stifling effect on the board. People who aren't into it find there discussions unanswered or moved to the bottom while the same old subjects get the posts.

In Ian's words "I am (part) the problem" since I'm another Kunlunie ™. Hopefully the problem will solve itself when Kunlun gets a good site or is segragated.


Michael.

P.S. Remember Kunlunie ™ was Trade Marked here today, 12/21/07. If and when it becomes a cult I get 10%.

i said over a week ago that there should be a separate kunlun forum but was told to ignore the threads if i wasn't interested. hmph

:>

i'm glad you're seeing the light now, despite your racial handicaps.