I found this yoga routine that I wanted to share because it has made me able to sit in the full lotus afterwards, which for me, with a damaged knee and my extremely stiff norwegian hips, was a great achievement.

http://www.brightcove.tv/title.jsp?title=9...annel=301783449

Its yoga for the hips and takes just about 20 min.

It would also be interesting to hear if someone else has some other techniques they use to be able to do the full lotus. My guess is that Drew, the full lotus guru, might have(if he hasnt told us allready somewhere)?

Each day I start out in half lotus for about 5 minutes. My energy channels are just sort of half open, so I sit in full-lotus as much as possible throughout the day. People think this is meditation which it kind of is, as the full-lotus brings the energy to 3rd eye focus and the vagus nerve starts pulling up the bliss light, shooting it out where I focus my eyes.

Actually there is a method to the madness.

So "clear light" in Tibetan Buddhism means the same as female formless awareness -- or prajnaparamita, from the Indian sutras. You can't see clear light and it's actually pure female knowledge.

The Taoists call this "Wu Chi" -- it can not be visualized and it's modelled through harmonics. No one can know the Tao.

Buddha taught that the best method for our age is the "inner ear method." Same thing as Taoism -- you can't visualize female formless awareness but you can listen to it, as the source of time.

This meaning is clear in Advaita Vedanta which relies on logical inference (a positive solution that the source of the I-thought IS consciousness, not just something which can not be named or is some paradox). Buddhism relies on "neti, neti" logic or proof by contradiction (just without the algebraic connection to geometry), leaving the source unnameable and also the method harder to model.

Time in India is kala but spirals into kali, as female formless awareness. Again this is modeled through complementary opposite harmonics -- shiva-shakti as the source of ohm.

The 3 in 1 paradox is based on the simple fact that when we LISTEN this process resonates the electrochemical energy into electromagnetic energy, turning into light, that bends spacetime, back into consciousness.

So the one exists but the process to resonate with the source of the one inherently includes body (electrochemical energy), mind (electromagnetic energy) and spirit (light). The one is the source of those three and the one, as female formless awareness, is the only "substance" which does not change.

Thanks sheng zhen, Lin posted that some simply stretches are all that is needed but I've been to lazy to research some.

So This "Clear Light" named by Tibetan Buddhism is you picturing we can say observing the brightest light the female has so far cultivated? If you can call it cultivation. (I'm not too sure how the light is brought about or experienced from a females prospective but is it safe to say they there is some sort of practice have to bring the brightness higher?) What is Clear light supposed to look like? Even if we observe this from a female. I'm interested to know?

What do you mean you can't see clear light and its actually pure female knowledge? are you saying, that only females can see it, you only observe it through them, if they openly show it to you?

there is a thread called 'secrets of female formless awareness' where Drew has extensively explained what it means.

Thanks very much for the video lesson.

But Drew, when you first started learning full lotus, how did you train yourself?
Did you do any special streching exercises or did you just do spiring forest qigong and suddenly you could smack ringht into full lotus bliss?
How was your way into full lotus?

Let me say something about this issue:

1. Full lotus is not a mandatory requirement to achieve Buddhahood or any other spiritual goal you are involved.
2. Semilotus is as good or even better for anyone with physical shortcoming for full lotus.
3. Sitting cross-legged is as good or even better than semilotus especially if someone wants to meditate for prolonged periods of time without the nuisance of pins and needles in the legs.
4. Siddharta Gautama meditated most of the time lying down. And he recommended sitting, standing, walking and lying down meditations. You can read this in the Discourses of the Buddha. Also here for free:

http://www.greatwesternvehicle.org/mahasatipatthanasutta.htm

Standing is Zhan Zhuang, interesting hey?

I totally agree that you can meditate in any position, and I agree with all the above points, but still you cant do a full lotus meditation without being able to sit full lotus! Thats pretty obvious isnt it? I hope this thread can be used to explain the different benefits of full lotus and how to be able to do it.

Full lotus is not mandatory, but it is special! It gives something special to the meditation that only full lotus gives. I am shure anybody who has done full lotus meditation without any disturbing pain can confirm this.

Those who havent done it, and those who are to lazy to learn it and really try it, will probably just continue saying that it is not nessecary, like I have been doing for 15 years of my meditating career. Ive only realized the gift of full lotus recently and if I dont work with it every day I get stiff and painful again in no time and have to start all over again.

That's me I hope to benefit from your experience.

Yeah full-lotus is weird. My friend claimed he did not have the "right body type." That's bogus.
Just keep practicing.

I've been told by a trustworthy master that one's ability or inability to assume the full lotus position is karmically determined, and that one's inability to sit in full lotus indicates a karmic load heavier than otherwise. If someone can't do it and keeps practicing to make oneself able to do it, the pain and endurance, the dedication and courage, dissipate adverse karma in direct proportion to the amount of pain, endurance, dedication and courage invested into mastering the pose. Of course for a Westerner all standard disclaimers apply -- don't push yourself harder than safe, do it gradually, practice stretches and, ideally, try to do it under supervision... I remember a horror story related by a friend of mine, a yoga teacher, who had to deliver one of her students to the emergency room in the full lotus position -- he got stuck there solid, cramped, couldn't un-lotus his legs without medical intervention.

As for spiritual benefits of other kinds of meditation, I believe they are there for someone who is able to sit in full lotus even if he or she isn't sitting at the moment and is doing it differently. For someone who is unable to assume this posture, however, I don't believe it's anything but a waste of time to practice other kinds of meditation until and unless this one is mastered. (Don't throw anything too heavy, please).

I currently meditate in a chair. I can do the half lotus, but it's not that comfortable for me, the discomfort takes away from my dhyrana practices.


I wish some one would make a complete step by step dvd or book you can buy specifically for the half and full lotus positions, if anybody knows of one, please let me know.

Here is a great article written by drew on the purpose of the full lotus: http://www.mind-energy.net/archives/162-Yo...psychology.html


Namaste,

Immortal

The benefits you discover once you do it. At one point I suggested an exercise at another forum -- balance a raw (undamaged) egg on one end (not on the side) -- on the point, so it stands rather than lies. This little but educational exercise can nonverbally, kinesthetically explain to one how precise centering must be for someone or something mobile and alive to be truly "centered." A fraction of a millimeter off and the balancing doesn't happen. You either find the egg's center or you don't; it's either balanced or it isn't; there's no in-betweens.

Well, the full lotus is similar in this respect. There's no other position for the human bodymind that can spell out (nonverbally) whether you are centered and balanced. "Thinking" in the head (or 'non-thinking' for that matter, which is still an in-the-head activity even if it's an inactivity) that one is centered and balanced is common, and commonly self-deceptive; full lotus reveals the truth.

Can't point you to any good sources, sorry, but I can tell you how I learned it. A number of years ago, someone invited me to an informal (just a gathering of friends and family members) all-Chinese qigong class; most participants didn't speak any English. I started doing what they were doing and then they all assumed the lotus pose for the final meditation. I got in a half lotus which was all I thought I could do. The teacher said, no, full lotus please. I laughed and said, yeah right, I can't do that. He said, impatiently and indignantly, you don't respect me at all, do you? I go, what do you mean? He says, you think I'd ask you to sit in full lotus if you couldn't? I am looking at you and I'm telling you you can. Don't you trust my assessment at all? Do you think I'm a fool?

So, well, he intimidated me into trying. I tried... he helped me by explaining a few details... like the comfortable position of the toes -- no curling -- and the swinging of the leg that goes under the other one all the way to the thigh, which is, surprisingly, easier than putting it closer to the knee -- lo and behold... I did it right on the spot. And as soon as I did, a flood of joy overcame me. So that's how I learned.

To learn to hold it for prolonged periods of time without the physical sensations flooding out your meditative focus is another matter -- and, like everything else, a matter of practice. At first, I decided to keep it for a minute and add fifteen seconds every day. Anyone can do fifteen seconds of anything, however uncomfortable, right? Wrong. At first it hurt like a bastard. But at the end of the year, I could do an hour, nothing to it. Practice, practice, practice...

The goal of achieving full lotus is not a must, please don't get obsessed with this issue. Meditate in a way that is comfortable for you and try to be relaxed during meditation. Use Vipassana as your main meditative technique.

In addition, living in a contemplative environment and getting involved in frequent spiritual retreats are the keys to spiritual growth (not mentioning here Buddhist teachings).

I have achieved high Jhana as well and don't meditate full lotus either:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jhana


All the best.

Cool




haha scary. Do you look like your AV photo (skinny and flexable) I look more like budda

but I can't use that excuse anymore

I suppose I should give back the strength, inner peace, and inner revolutionary changes that have occurred to me since I started meditating. You may also want to tell the cancer patients that have overcome their pain (see Jon Kabat-Zinn for starters), and the countless numbers of people who have benefited from mindfulness practices.

Most Buddhist teachers would strongly disagree with this statement, and see it as an attachment or clinging to form. It may depend on the type of mediation and what you are trying to accomplish. If you are trying to increase, refine, or purify inner energies, perhaps there is a point. But if you're building awareness and insight, then this is obviously not the case. I think perhaps this is a fundamental difference between Buddhist and Taoist approaches: Buddhism doesn't teach liberation by attaining, increasing, or getting--- it liberates through insight and wisdom. How to get insight and wisdom? Ethical conduct and building strong concentration. Then one can see reality for oneself. It doesn't matter if you have one legs or two, if you're a hunchback or paralyzed, you can practice ethical behavior, concentrate the mind, and develop wisdom.

Wasn't too heavy

Seems to be 2 (thousand?) distince flavours of meditation.

sit through the pain
and
sit without pain

Are they acheiving the same thing in different ways? or are there different goals?

About the benifts of full lotus I got no clue. Yet at the same time I rather do a practice to its full and best originally taught way, or if i find a person that teaches it better and can prove it through teaching me why, then he has made me a believer ONLY IF I HAVE TRIED BOTH WAYS FIRST!

Taoist approaches, I'm talking purely about taoism (I could be wrong I didn't learn formally) but nevertheless this is my view on the subject based my own experiences. So i would be very opened to hearing other views on the matter and even enjoy an engaged conversation on the matter if people know more. I do read a awful a lot of posts. Reading to what everyone says, in fact if you met me in real life, i normally talk more then i listen. So yeah, i read a lot more then i type up. (imo pretty wierd if you ask me).

I believe every small variation of something has its specific purpose. Within that specific purpose is the reason you might pursue such things. I believe you can't know, with the inner until you've tried not one side but both sides. In fact I very strongly advocate that everyone should try not one way but both ways. To learn what both have to offer. One might be much less or often times much different then another. But if you disagree with one way of meditation you must have the formal education in that specific meditation and come out with a high ability to say why you dis like it. You can dis like it but then at least you understand its specific purpose. This doesn't just go for meditation this also goes for different fighting techniques within a form or different uses of Tai Chi is another example. That being said

I want to say I have no experience with buddhist teachings. Other then directing Yi, or my mind's intent ethical things. I automatically feel threatened but i also feel i lost my goal or can not see with inner insight the things that bound me from growing. Yet I do not try to do bad things purposely. I do often try to continuously resist against falling into the losing side of bad things from effecting me (to stop to spiritually grow, or stop me along my path, or even said to keep me from seeking to absorb into the Tao.)

I can clearly tell you while absorbing into the tao to attain higher levels (only done with your self bring "In the Now" or present) that when you learn to, shall i say wield for a lack of a better word, wield the ability overcome you start to adherently follow the ethical rights so to speak. I am directly correlating this to meaning the Eight Fold Path.

I would encourage anyone in disagreement or even in agreements to this being purely Taoism to reeducate me honestly... I publically post these things to tell you guys to help others understand and hopefully so every once in a while I may in also in return learn something from others.

It the higher levels Taoism (which i haven't reached) I've read and heard things that have great wisdom and insight to how things truly work. This is the inner sight from the Niwan (third eye) when you can see things on the plane of the Tao.

So once again i haven't taken the buddhist path. I know little of it... and what it brings but i think your understanding between Taoist path is slightly jaded forestofsouls.

Ive also read stories of people releasing some karma and then suddenly was able to sit full lotus effortlessly(ofcourse not without practicing first). I thought this was just some religious mumbo jumbo, but maby there might be something to it.


Hahaha, great title!


Like Drew says; you cant fake the full lotus!

Thanks for all these advice and information Taomeow. I will go now and practicepracticepractice.

That is encouraging, thank you

Chuang Tzu would likely disagree as well. He liked to tell stories about the benefits of the mangled. Other Taoist stories likewise touted the benefits of disability. Much of the mystique of the full lotus likely comes from the same place that most "orientalism" comes from. After all, zen practitioners favor the zazen pose and they have just as much validity as the yogis (where the full lotus came from) and the sects of Taoism etc that later adopted it (when buddhism invaded).

Please keep in mind everyone that the full lotus (despite whatever claims are made about karma) can damage the knees if not done PROPERLY and with care. If there are pre-existing hip or knee problems get help from an experienced (and preferably licensed) professional. Not everyone claiming to be an expert (no matter how "wonderful" their "presence" or "chi" may feel) is trustworthy. Please pay attention to simple physiology.

The two main blockages, as qigong master Chunyi Lin teaches, are emotions and nutrition.

So for full-lotus I can sit in it indefinitely as long as the emotional energy is flowing in and OUT -

If I eat too much food and don't get the energy out of my body then it stays as lower emotional electrochemical energy instead of being "vortexed" into bliss-light. The strong yin energy outside of my body sucks out, and more easily, transduces my food energy, so that the yin energy receives my yang bliss-light.

This is real stuff. So if you have say 5 real, what I call "O at a D" -- sending bliss-light into someone which then pulls up my yin electrochemical energy, so that a mutual climax occurs, this creates REAL LOVE.

Betrand Russell in his book "Meditation and Logic" (or something close to that) states that meditation is too emotional.

Actually this isn't accurate. The bliss-light of the heart is just the "overexcitement" -- the dissipation of "vitality" or chi that the book Taoist Yoga warns about so much.

The source of the bliss-light is ESSENTIAL NATURE "behind" the heart-mind -- or female formless awareness.

So if too much food is eaten and therefore too much overexcitement is created then this, enabling 5 "O at a Ds" with one individual -- this actually creates a

REAL BROKEN HEART.

I've gotten this broken heart emotional several times this year. It's deeper than sadness (lung energy).

It takes a few days to recover from a broken heart but sometimes this is expressed as real crying in meditation -- it's a cleansing experience actually.

The point is that the CORPOREAL SPIRIT -- the element of metal, the lung energy, overcomes sadness only when passion or overexcitement of the heart is subdued. This is the secret of alchemy, detailed again in "Taoist Yoga: Alchemy and Immortality."

Consciousness is beyond all emotion or energy. So we just keep sitting in full-lotus and the true broken heart -- the true deep sadness -- resonates back to it's source.

Tsung Tsai talks about this in George Crane's Bones of the Master: A Journey to Secret Mongolia (2000) book. Ch'an master Tsung Tsai says the true role of a Ch'an Master is too work through the deep sadness of the world, to engage with it and transform it.

Drew Hempel I've read lots and lots of posts you've made no matter how long they are but my questions eariler asked on this forum is still unanswered. I still do have more to read from what you wrote, but if you could find the time to answer the questions. I could have missed the answers when it was inadvertently explained.





I very much enjoyed this last post. Though it doesn't tell us or me how to overcome it. Thanks for suggesting a book about it might be interesting. Does it actually teach you how to overcome the true broken heart? I would think that would be very wise information.

I've been dealing with that for the last bunch of months...if she wasnt my best friend I would have plain stopped seeing her long ago. At times its felt like its given me mild hypertension.

See also Becoming the Lotus by Anton Temple A great little book. It gives a nice routine and safety tips for gettting into the Lotus position.

sheng zhen. thank you.
nice exercises - improve circulation.

Yeah last night my Egyptian acquaintance tried to sit in full-lotus. He thought he could do it on the ground but not on the chair, as I was doing (in his restaurant). I told him I got this starting from soccer which he plays a lot. He said the "butterfly stretch" does that but he thought I had my feet under my thighs, not on top. He couldn't even sit with his legs crossed underneath, while on a chair - which makes sense since there would be less balance.

I would say the http://springforestqigong.com exercies are ideal -- the standing active exercises, the small universe in a chair, and then self-concentration (half or full-lotus).

For example the Ch'an monks alternate standing exercise with full-lotus. I still do this when I want to do deeper meditation at home -- when I'm building up my energy internally and not just cycling the 3rd eye energy externally while at full-lotus in public.

When the legs really hurt from full-lotus you just stand while meditating -- doing simple tai chi moves. Then the energy opens up the leg channels and you can enjoy full-lotus again. Keeping the eyes closed helps a lot to build up the energy internally.

Drew,

OK, beginners have had their field day, now let's talk advanced lotus positions.

Can you balance yourself standing on the palms of your hands with your legs in full lotus? How about hanging from a bar? How about drawing the yin-yang symbol with your whole body while in full lotus, aiming to brush the floor with your head? How about Yogic Sleep -- roll on your back with your legs in full lotus, put your arms over your knees, take a nap? How about Snake Queen -- legs in lotus, arms in lotus behind the back of your head?

I just sleep in regular full-lotus! haha. Only naps though. Sleep though is not the goal nor any physical feats. Qigong master Chunyi Lin went 40 days in full-lotus: no sleep, no water, no food. The goal is spirit travel and energy transformation so that "supreme complete enlightenment" is achieved -- turning the whole body back into consciousness. Full-lotus just works by itself, through harmonics. I rely on it as much as possible. I don't keep track how long I sit -- it's a preventative, all purpose, life-saver. Cafes, restaurants, libraries, work, reading at home, etc.

That leaves biking and sleeping pretty much. I used to sit in full-lotus even on the can but there's not a lot of space in my bathroom. haha.

Thanks for the recommendation I've got it coming from Amazon along with
Nan Huai-Chin Working Toward Enlightenment: The Cultivation of Practice

Can’t get them from Fishpond so I now have at least one month of procrastination left before I start! How long does the book recommend you should practice for? I’m running a bit tight for practice time, which is the other excuse for waiting a month

vent post warning.


I just want to tell you that I'm spitting and hissing. I have become un - limber and wooden legged.

I cant do it anymore.


Age does not wither her, ok, but it's really withering ME.


I guess I need to do some yoga or I will turn into a plank soon.


When did my hips get so tight?! POOOOOH.

Erm, harrumph, hmmm, yes.

My teacher tells us that we really shouldn't try to sit in any kind of lotus for a good few years. This is because our practice releases a lot of stuff down the arms and legs and having them folded just doesn't help. When we've cleared an enormous amount of stuff and the leg channels are very, very clear, then it's ok to sit in lotus. He does, sometimes.

The process of trying to clear stuff by forcing yourself to sit in lotus is considered, in this view, to be very risky, in that you need very strong equanimity/detachment/not hating it or else you'll be making more karma as fast as you like.

Which is not at all to suggest that Taomeow can't do it, of course. Nor to suggest that it mightn't be great for practices such as Drew describes, which seem to involve alot of driving stuff upwards.

And for the record, I can't do it. At all. Not even close.

That's interesting, Ian. I like very much the exercise your teacher shares, of sitting and moving the legs open and closed repeatedly.

Amazingly good, very very simple.


Some people are bendier than others, even as children. I used to be like an elastic band, now I'm chewy like licorice.


I have one athletic child who is bendy, and one with hamstrings like chopsticks.


Gentle stuff seems best to me.

I can do it most days, but I can still only sit for less than a minute before it gets too painful. Its the outsides of my ankles that end up hurting, but I think its only because they are the focal point of other places being tense.

Mal, Working Towards Enlightenment is a fantastic book, I am ~4 chapters into it right now! I also managed to find Realizing Enlightenment, though the copy was a little beat up. That looks great too, but I think I will finish Working first!

I think it's more an issue of values than abilities. My kids were also "born just so" (one extra flexible, the other one tight as a drum -- even though they are twins) but it flipped over later simply because the flexible one wasn't interested in maintaining it while the stiff one took a yoga class and then taiji. The body forgives years and even decades of stiffness if you start viewing flexibility as a value and working on it. I was a lot stiffer at 30 than at 40, and by now I'm more flexible than I was in my teens. That's because I admire freedom of movement in space and my role model is the octopus. "We become what we admire."

Nice, thankyou TaoMeow. Was it here I read "be that which you seek to attract" ... so I guess if I want flexibility and mobility, as opposed to gradual petrification, I better start actively valuing my previous ability.


I do admire trees. But I think I need to focus on the willows more than the old oaks!

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The weird thing about the full-lotus is that it relies on electrochemical transduction -- transforming the lower emotions: fear, sadness, worry, overexcitement and anger -- into bliss-light.

So I was just in McDonalds sitting in full-lotus. It's where I had my first "O at a D" by accident about a year ago. I sit with a friend of mine who is this obese bookstore worker, older guy, about 60 or so. He gets really afraid of the full-lotus because it creates this trance state of mind that induces staring on my part. I have to stare at him to shoot energy into him to transform his fear. haha. That's really all it's about -- people will react to the full-lotus 3rd Eye trance -- the bliss-light shot of the eyes -- with usually lust (overexcitement) but sometimes fear, anger, sadness or worry. It someone's a healthy well balanced person then their lower emotions quickly are transduced from overexcitement -- sucked into the full-lotus 3rd eye vortex and shot back out at them as bliss light.

So today I sat in full-lotus for two hours straight in this anarchist cafe -- just having O at a Ds with the females in the cafe. Then I went to a Chinese buffet and sat in full-lotus for an hour there, having O at a Ds with the female server.

I don't have to stare at someone to transmit the energy but it does direct the energy. Usually this depends on a person's reaction. Most females quickly pick up on the bliss-light energy and then position themselves to best absorb the energy -- in line with my full-lotus gaze. Of course this is body language and it depends on who else is around, making it all rather contextual and complex. Sometimes females will stare at me if I'm not staring at them (so that they are sucking up my bliss-light, instead of me shooting it out), or they will use sounds to redirect my attention at them. It's all subtle body language -- usually back side displays, or whatever. If my energy is not that strong or their energy is not that strong to suck up my energy then sometimes they may react with fear or anger. The only answer to this is just keep sitting in full-lotus and the lower emtions transduce back into bliss-light.

As I've stated I can sit in full-lotus indefinitely -- today about 5 hours thus far -- just by having a yin source to suck up my yang bliss-light, thereby pulling up my yin energy (causing a mutual climax) and also sucking up further yin energy. It's an impersonal process and again after about 5 "O at a Ds" with an individual then real love is experienced.

So this is an intense process -- even dangerous I would say. The biggest danger is that most males have a "chimp" mentality -- a territoriality -- where they get pissed off if females are not attracted to them or if they don't know how to attract females, therefore projecting their anger, fear, etc. about the full-lotus 3rd Eye bliss-light. Females also assimilate this territorial mentality considering themselves to be property, etc. Again all that can be done is to shoot energy into the males as well.

The energy will be exchanged whether it's directed through my eyes or not -- you just sit in full-lotus and the 3rd Eye energy is omnidirectional, even bending space-time. The female formless awareness is our true natural foundation of reality.

Looks like ten minute sessions with nine or ten levels of daily routines. He says that within one year you should be able to get into full Lotus. There is a Taoist meditation in the end of the book as well.
He puts a lot of emphasis on safety and works on opening the hips to protect the knees.
I am moving very slowly with this, but it feels right.
Bill

I just got two yoga DVDs, one is Yoga for Inflexible People and the other is Naked Yoga Teacher (more inspirational) so I'll be working on my hips some now.

That is exactly what I was looking for, THANK YOU! I just ordered if off amazon.

Thankyou StarJumper.

I usually do Pilates, so I'd imagined I was flexible.. yesterday I did something called Yogalates, which I thought would be a good transition for me. It was challenging and I really enjoyed it, and I actually feel stronger today. I think it was those sun salutations that did it.


I read a review of the "Yoga for Inflexible People" - it sounds nice and explanatory. I havent looked up Naked Yoga yet... but I will, thankyou.

I just ordered "Yoga Trance Dance" from my library, too. I guess this qualifies me as a wowie - zowie type...

I'm going to do more belly dancing too, that's got to help with hip loosening.

My knees are clicky at the moment - it comes and goes - so I'm being very careful with them. I dont actually know why they sometimes click.

OK well let's start with the second question which I didn't answer:

Original Sin -- where does it come from. You'd have to read my blogbook http://mothershiplanding.blogspot.com -- but basically "sin" is the Sumerian moon god transformed into divide and average ratios.

Well it's an older problem than that --- Jacques Cauvin calls it the "symbolic revolution" of around 10,000 BCE.

Essentially rectilinear "divide and average" abstract art was a philosophical revolution FIRST which then launched plow-based agriculture and rectilinear housing, thereby destroying all circular housing that up till then had been the necessary symbol for lunar, female power.

As the Chinese used to say: Don't Disturb the Earth Dragon (got that from Harry Franck's "Roaming Across Southern China," an excellent 1920s on-the-ground analysis.

Anyway that new "anti-matter" online zine has excerpts of Kingsley's REALITY -- it's on http://peterkingsley.com -- in the articles site.

He trashes Plato. What he says on Gorgias is excellent as well. I had to read Gorgias before I visited St. Johns College, a "Great Books" school in Santa Fe requiring ancient Greek study. My tour for several days was led by this Roma female -- a big boned Gypsy. haha.

It's not just that current commentators are wrong but that everyone's been wrong since Plato and Aristotle.

As for Archytas -- well the whole "thrust" of my earlier article -- "Secrets of the Greek Freemasonic Miracle", chapter 4 of http://mothershiplanding.blogspot.com is that the top Western mathematicians have tried but failed to figure out how Archytas used music ratios. Up till now the proof for Archytas' doubling of the cube relies on pure geometry -- even when applied to the music scale, using Euclidian similar triangles. There's one online article showing this application of Euclidian triangles to the music scale for doubling the cube, but the article assumes the value of the root of five, without showing how to solve for the root of five, which relies on the square root of two. Typical circular mathematic reasoning -- huge wholes in it! haha. What my research shows is the connection to Archytas' use of the Babylonian equation for harmonics, again using "divide and average" logarithmics.

As my article states the Secret of the Greek Freemasonic Miracle is:

1:5/4::8/5:2.

That's the music ratio, 1:Major Third::Minor Sixth:Octave, solution for doubling the cube.

Now Simon Stevin blatantly stated fuck the perfect fifths foundation for overtones -- which Archytas was still using, as 5:4 is just 10:8 from 9:8 as 3:2 squared, divided by two.

So Simon Stevin continues Archytas' original sin -- the bait and switch of complementary opposite harmonics (whereby lunar and solar resonate back to female formless awareness) and doesn't state how Archtyas first justified using the square root of two.

This jump in logic has been conveniently ignored by music theorists, up till my research.

So I'd like to think I'm on par with Kingsley in a way - I was a philosophy major declaration when I started at Hampshire College -- my advisor was a Kenyan expert in Heidegger. I decided against St. John's because it didn't seem relevant to practical problem solving (i.e. radical progressive activism which I focused on with real public results). So it's highly ironic that my research naturally led me back to Gorgias, Plato, etc.

As for seeing auras -- When I sit in full-lotus enough, taking in the yin electrochemical energy, transducing it through the lower emotion vortex (anger, lust, fear, sadness, worry) into bliss-light yang energy, and then shooting it back to the source of the yin energy -- then I see white light around peoples' heads.

So a couple nights ago I was explaining this to a 20 year old Egyptian-American who works at the local Rotisseria where they've let me read while sitting in full-lotus.

We had been discussing the Koran, why I don't take sugar in my tea, how my body is really sensitive to nutrition, Ramadan, full-lotus posture, soccer, etc.

So I showed him the vagus nerve pulsations as this seems to convince people readily that the full-lotus is not just a flexibility issue.

Then he wanted to know more so I told him about qigong master Chunyi Lin -- justing calling him this Chinese teacher. I explained to him "bigu" and my own experience in going 8 days on only half a glass of water while doing alchemy.

He seemed very interested in alchemy since the word comes from Egyptian arabic.

Anyway then I explained the above process to him and shot energy at him, while telling him I was doing so. He just let me do this -- looking into his eyes, my vagus nerve pulsating, while I sat in full-lotus, directly across from him.

Then I said -- see now I can see white light around your head -- but all of this is meditated by consciousness -- everything is consciousness.

Then he had a customer to attend to. haha.

Greg: I agree that time is the fundamental issue but what the West needs to realize is the ability for the future to be perceived in the present, as a vision that is "more real" than typical modern waking state. The past is also stored as an emotional or electochemical function of time - a holograph - which can also be changed.

I've been researching this issue a lot lately, on a forum that has had lots of enquiries about my "psychic music" analysis. Essentially time in the West, since Plato, has been defined geometrically as a "postive coupling" using symmetric-based logic. This started with Archytas but was picked up again by Descartes, Galileo and Newton whereby time was defined as speed. So twice the time meant twice the speed.

This is exactly the opposite of how time was measured in nonwestern logic. Before Plato time was measured as the INVERSE ratio of distance -- not a "positive coupling." So if a distance is twice as long the speed as frequency is half as much. So twice the frequency is 1/2 the distance for a distance or vibrating string length of 1. This is called the "law of Pythagoras" and is expressed as the diverging harmonic series.

Anyway to achieve a "positive coupling" of time, the West needs to rely on logarithmic-based math, using a "one-to-one correspondence" of letter, as geometry (side and area) to number as distance length. This is the commutative principle. The positive coupling is achieved using weights as tension so that 4 times the weight, as distance, equals twice the frequency or speed -- the inverse square law.

This meant that momentum could be changed to mass as a constant by Newton but then Einstein showed that at high frequencies (speed of light) the mass changes back into momentum.

Einstein still relies on symmetric-based measurement of time but the original "inverse ratio" of distance and frequency was based on complementary opposites, not a "one-to-one correspondance" or the commutative principle. The complementary opposites shows up again in quantum physics, not just in the Uncertainty Principle, (whereby momentum times position does not equal position times momentum) but also in the Time-Frequency Uncertainty Priniciple.

The Time-Frequency Uncertainty Principle is essentially a restatement of the original "inverse ratio" Law of Pythagoras -- as the frequency increases the amplitude spreads across the whole energy spectrum. But, again, this "uncertainty" is statistical and relies on a symmetrical analysis, using "divide and average" math. In contrast nonwestern harmonics uses inverse induction logic stating that the frequency of the harmonic series as the octave or 1/2 and the perfect fifth 2/3 and its complementary opposite perfect fourth or 3/4, continue to resonate through the whole energy spectrum, precisely because they are asymmetric. 2/3 is yang and 3/4 is yin in Taoist alchemy.

The logic is pure inference which means that we can infer that the source of the original or fundamental frequency is pure consciousness -- beyond space and beyond time -- and this consciousness is actually female, because it's the complimentary opposite source of one or the source of the I-thought. 2/3 and 3/4 is expressed as inherent attraction because of the asymmetry.

With practice of this knowledge, through ancient exercises utilizing the complimentary harmonics of the body aka the small universe exercise and the full-lotus, etc., then a trance vision is experience which actually is precognition. There is also an immediate translation of information through electromagnetic fields processed in through the pineal gland -- creating telepathy and telekinesis, as the expression of these harmonics.

Position paper #34 abstract of the Minnesota-based Center for Reichian Crypto-Anthropology, anti-copyright.

Naked Yoga teacher is not that good. It looks like a person who is not a yoga teacher but does know it who was willing to take it all off for the guys. I heard somewhere that naked yoga is catching on though. Naked chi kung is OK too.

Belly dancing is a good art and a good way to learn to shake it. I do like dance type movements that are slow so let me know what you think of that Yoga trance Dance.

Clicky knees are often due to roughness behind the kneecaps. I damaged my knees a little from doing long hard steep downhill too fast while backpacking in the mountains.

This must be THE method, because I did something to my left knee exactly this way too. I was going downhill on a hiking trail overgrown with agaves (they have daggers for leaves, really vicious) and got tired of maneuvering around them so as not to get stabbed, decided to run, slipped... and wound up with a useless knee that got clicky, swollen and painful. I cured it with mustard-honey packs overnight every day for a few days (mix a T of fresh, angry dry mustard with enough honey to make a paste, apply to knee, liberally, cover with a piece of cling-wrap, secure with a bandage and then wrap a wool scarf around it.) I used this method on people with chronic knee problems too, it works in every case provided they stick to a wheat-free diet. (Wheat is the biggest offender of joints and flexibility's enemy.)

Can't remember where I read this (in some Taoist tome) but I always tried to apply it.
Run up hill like a deer.
Come down hill like a tiger.

Deer springs up with energy focused on the tailbone and antlers (crown) energy rises up.

Tiger rolls down hill with coiled springy energy absorbing and spreading out the impact.

Of course when you are tired and/or wearing a heavy pack, this definitely gets harder to do well.

Craig

StarJumper, I will let you know about the Trance Dance when it arrives. The library is not always super - quick.

I wont be doing naked trance dancing : too flappy.

Your clicky knee reasoning makes complete sense. I have done much unwise clambering in the past.

Actually, I have a swelling on my right ankle that is like a little egg. soft tissue I guess. It is left behind permanently after a ripped foot ligament and sprained ankle mash up. Does anyone know if there is anything I can do to disperse it? I dont like having it there, squidgy and egg like. At the time of the accident my foot and ankle was severely swollen and green and purple and it was all frozen peas on it as much as possible. But I had a baby at the time so couldnt rest it a great deal or make time to get to the doc for physio or whatever.

I like your reminder, Craig.

I got lost once on a mountain at dusk in Borneo, and it was all big boulders and trickling water and tall trees. I'd lost my sense of direction/focus and gone higher instead of descending as it got dark. I asked the spirits of the four directions and the spirit of the mountain for help getting out of their before it was total darkness. I've never moved so fast, and so surefootedly, over such difficult terrain, with so little light ever before. It was amazing. definitely like being possesed with animal energy.

Or adrenalin, according to wether your cast of mind is poetic or prosaic..