It was discussed on a previous thread and i was asking if anyone apart Max has attained the Levitation that is said to come from Kunlun Level 1 practice?

This is not to stir up trouble im interested in if anyone after Max has attained this maybe Mantra has done it or the instructors in Japan?

This is from the Kunlunbliss site:

When the Level I activates, practitioner will experience tremendous heat and sweating. Uncontrollable trembling, laughing and crying may follow this. This is due to the body is being physically and mentally purified through the process. Other manifestations include, speaking in other tongues, light manifestation around the body, levitation, and inner, or third eye opening.

Thanks
WYG

Nice to see a Kunlun question back up there, guess everyone is bored with tormenting Foundation Training for a while

I vaguely remember reading in Don Juan (1 st or 2 nd book ) when they were talking about going on a peyote trip. Carlos was saying o.k. I’ll be flying, or at least I’ll feel like I’m flying, but if a friend was in the same room with me, not on peyote, what would he see?

I don’t seem to remember Don Juans answer, or if he actually made one but I got the feeling he thought the question was missing the point.

Since I know there will no proof forthcoming about levitating, you might not want to equate Kunlun with Castaneda, whose work has been repudiated. Just sayin'

I don't know. The fact that Castaneda may well all be "mere fiction" does not diminish it's value in my eyes.

I really enjoyed the first 3 books.

What i am trying to say is that we don't need more people attacking kunlun as it is. those who enjoy it and appreciate it (i happen to be one of these people) will enjoy it no matter how many people bash it, while those who do not enjoy it, and are resentful of it will remain that way no matter what the argument is for its merit. that is what i meant to say, the opposite kind of came out.

I have a powerful healer friend who claimed that his is one of the best new spiritual series out today.

So, regardless if the narrative is real or not, I think some of the info may still be very useful.


That said, I haven't read it myself yet - so I can't give a personal review.

Yeah yeah I levitate all the time during Kunlun. I would videotape it, but the black hole energy keeps sucking up the camcorder. It gets really expensive. Also it doesn't work when other people watch me because their eye chi sends interference. The nice thing about levitation is that I no longer need the step stool to reach the peanut butter in the top cupboard. The bad thing is that there's never anyone to share my peanut butter with due to the bad vibes coming out their eyes.

Seriously folks, some of the Kunlun claims seem wacky, but forget all that siddhi stuff. It's a good energy practice. Both for gathering and circulating it, as well as clearing blockages. I had a few "experiences" when I first started. Nothing like levitation though. After 4 months it is pretty smooth sailing. I can defintely attest to the energy benefits, and that is mostly what interests me. I really believe the experiences are just background noise, and although it makes you feel like you have accomplished something at the beginning, it is actually the opposite. I think these are mostly just signs of a blockage clearing as this stuff tends to happen more at the beginning. For me at least.

P.S. WYG - Charles Luk discusses the vibrating in the dantien in his intro to Taoist Yoga. I think you said you were experiencing this a couple weeks ago, so thought I would pass it along.

Speaking too much of the siddhas that can manifest at the higher levels is probably not such a good idea in light of people's general life experience, but those things can and do happen. We didn't invent the ideas and many others have experienced them outside of the Kunlun tradition.

The amazing experiences people are writing about who have tried the practice are just the beginning of what they will find we humans are capable of.

Maybe we should just keep mum on the topic and when crazy "impossible" stuff starts happening to people we can just say, "Oh yeah, that's normal. Don't worry about it. It's just a distraction. Let go more."

And trying to explain the energetic experience in terms of modern science is really just an equivalency thing. We try to give an idea of what is happening based upon the closest theoretical equivalent science has come up with which is only slightly similar. I personally don't care about the scientific explanation of this experience any more than I care about the scientific explanation of out-of-body experiences or multiple orgasms.

It doesn't change the experience, which is incredibly rich and personally profound. You know what happened to you and you don't need an "expert" to come along and explain it for you.

The most important thing really is to just let the practice open you out of your mentally-limited, flesh-bag, and see the bigger picture of what is.

It is so simple and such a wonderful resetting and harmonizing tool that it is a shame people have been without it for so long.

Try it if you want, or if you really don't want to, don't.

We try to make it easy.

Thanks Oolong, mantra and the rest,

I like the fact that there are old teachings that can lead to certain manifestations or Siddis, ive seen a few things in my time but not levitation but somethings that cannot be explained so i dont rule it out.

Mantra,

Have you personally seen Max levitate?

Oolong,

Ill check out that thread bro, thanks!

WYG

I haven't levitated yet.

If I do I won't be posting about it on Taobums.

However, I might mention it on the Kunlun forum

ps. I have zero interest in levitating and sort of agree it might be best to drop some of those things from the kunlunbliss site. Not that I doubt what you guys say at all but it just gives rise to posts like these.

But..it's all good..whatever.

I'm going to have to seriously doubt that anyone is going to uplifting off the ground.
But the fact that some things are allegorical and symbolic and metaphoric is cool with me. I think that's what Joe Campbell was all about.



Just don't tell me it's really true and expect me to pay you money for it.

Seem fair?

You probably wouldn't go anywhere since you are so rooted and do IMA.

But I beleive it is real in terms of the people flinging about(haven't seen the levitating thing yet)

My experience is Kunlun is a magnetic energy and can be used to move other people around when they are open to it.

If your an IMA and you really, really don't want to move my guess is you won't move but still might feel something.

I wouldn't BS you man. The magnetic current of Kunlun that Max transmits is real. You feel it in your body and in the room.

It's not make believe.

That said, you probably wouldn't go anywhere from all your training.

I still think you should check out a workshop if you can though. I would be interested in your feedback from all your experience with IMA.

Cam

wrong thread Del

"You probably wouldn't go anywhere since you are so rooted and do IMA."

Cam,
I like you online but you don't know me or what I'm rooted in. You might be surprised.

"But I beleive it is real in terms of the people flinging about(haven't seen the levitating thing yet)"


Only the faithful. If it don't work on everyone it don't work. I've seen it before.

"My experience is Kunlun is a magnetic energy and can be used to move other people around when they are open to it.

If your an IMA and you really, really don't want to move my guess is you won't move but still might feel something."

I could fall asleep and it wouldn't work. I could read the funny papers and it wouldn't work. I'm happy to be filmed doing this if Max is.
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"I wouldn't BS you man. The magnetic current of Kunlun that Max transmits is real. You feel it in your body and in the room.

It's not make believe."


I believe you believe this.

"That said, you probably wouldn't go anywhere from all your training.'

Dude, it's not me.

"I still think you should check out a workshop if you can though. I would be interested in your feedback from all your experience with IMA."

So nobody has anything to lose by giving the workshop to me for free. It's just a chair, right?

Huh?

I mean physically rooted..like rooted to the Earth..from your decades of IMA training.

That you would probably be able to ground the energy and not be moved around(if you didn't want to).

I am not here to convince anyone of anything. I know what I have felt wasn't a figment of my imagination. it doesn't make too much of a difference to me if others beleive or not. I am not much into belieiving but about feeling.

Kunlun is a feeling practice. You feel it.

If you start feeling things(bliss or whatever) that's your experience. And it has a magnetic quality to it. Like a cool, refined watery sensation that flows from the crown to the tailbone.

Best,

Cam

I genuinely love kunlun as well...it has helped me immensely. Very valuable asset, I'm sure, to anyone who is open-minded.

Winpro,

Ive had alot of successful and positive treatments on family, friends, patients with energy work. Cancer, my mother died after heart surgery but they couldnt bring her back so i went in and did some pressure points and energy and she came back, my grandmother was in a coma and my father and his brother was visiting to switch off the machine but i did pressure points and energy work and she opened her eyes and asked for me and then said goodbye to all and died . Young chinese boy had 3 weeks to live from cancer i did my treatments on him and he survived and they couldnt find the cancer in him but it came back a year or so later but at least he got to be with his family and friends alittle longer. (very sad)!!

Ive seen my teacher do some weird things with chi that i couldnt explain and i dont want to post it due to how people regard chi and some abilities.

I truely love the healing aspects of inner cultivation as i work in a hospital (emergency department) i often speak to the doctors about mixing traditional therapies (energy, massage, accupuncter, etc0 and most dont agree but said its a placebo effect, i said thats debatabe!!!

WYG

Placebo healing is just as good as any other, imo.

I for one would like to hear about your expriences with your teacher weird or otherwise.

Hi seadog,

Thanks for your intrest i am off to work now i might post something tomorrow i just dont want to bring my Sifu into these type of topics if you catch my drift?

WYG

WYG
I appreciate and respect your regard to your sifu.
Look forward to your post.

Im very curious for people there story regarding energy (kunlun or not) and healing others.

This is a valid question imo as it so clearly sais just this on their homepage.

Why is it met as if the guy is trying to ridicule kunlun practioners?

Since the page gives the impression that level 1 doesn't take long, we should be seeing many levitations and light manifestations by now? :-)

Well this has been my questions mostly all along but i dont want to get into this all again.

As long as people are getting results thats most important!

Max is here now so I am asking him directly about this. These are his answers:

From Max's teacher, Mao Shan Grand Master, Andrew Lum, when you do Red Phoenix levels 1-3 to completion, levitation is one of the effects and it only happens once and then dissipates.

It is not considered by the Mao Shan as a permanent siddha but just a sign the you have connected with the law that governs Tao.

In Kunlun Max's sister Jenny Lamb says that if you master Kunlun level two levitation is one of the effects.

Levitation in the Taoist tradition means that you have mastered the wind element. It is when you have connected the middle and upper dan tiens. This where the wind power attainments come from.

As a siddha the Mao Shan consider levitation a low attainment. Once one learns the higher things, lesser attainments like levitation disappear.

It's the delivery.

its called bait and switch tactic.

Hi Mantra,

Please thank Max for the insight i do have another question for him since he mentioned wind path and connecting the upper and middle dan tian. Does that mean that fire path is the Tummo and water is ???? Cause usually in daoist meditation and chi kung they use 3 paths wind, fire and water and water being the hardest?

So Kunlun 1 and 2 depending on the person and the energy cultivated the person will levitate is that with thought or in emptyness?

Has Jenny and Max has obviously levitated if so can they share what it was like, feeling, sensations anything would be great?

Mantra thankyou for thinking of putting this information on the forum cause these are some of the questions and answers ive been wanting know.

This Kun Lun system is from Mao Shan sect does KunLun mountain have a sect that teach this non related to Mao Shan sect of Maxs teacher?

many thanks
WYG

This makes me curious after wich is a high attainment is it healing based ?

Mantra you told me Red Phoenix is being thaught in the workshop, is this all 3 levels or level 1 ?

Thanx in advance

Minkus,

For my understanding Red Phoenix isnt part of Kunlun but added at the seminars! Levels 1 is seated, 2 standing holding breath, 3 seated waterfall meditation.

regards
WYG

Here's the kicker on Kunlun: "especially for the few pages that contain the kunlun posture that will take you about 10 seconds to learn."

If this is true, as claimed by the link TRUNK provides (comparing Kunlun to the microcosmic orbit) then why will no one actually just describe the basic KUNLUN posture?

If it's so amazing why not SHARE THE LOVE? haha.

I've spent probably a couple hours trying to find something that supposedly takes 10 seconds to learn! All I've gotten is vague descriptions of gyrating your trunk will standing, having Max's magnetic field threw you around so you stick to fences, feeling various blissful tingling sensations in your body, etc.

Still -- this AMAZING posture that takes 10 seconds to learn !!! -- remains... shall we say ... unacceptable to the internet -- a supposed utopia of free information exchange.

Or shall we just prove the reality of a nice marketing gimmick, once again....

Drew,

You could do what most of us have done: buy the book, attend a seminar, or both. TANSTAAFL.

AugustLeo

Ive said the posture for level 1 many times, seated hold the ball posture right hand on top of left, raise the heels off the floor.

Many Chi kung has holding ball, the activation is the heels raised, ive also seen this with the toes raised and both feet off the ground. So there is varitations to doing seated meditation!

Ok new I get the inside joke. haha.

"As a siddha the Mao Shan consider levitation a low attainment. Once one learns the higher things, lesser attainments like levitation disappear."

Wow. This is pretty convenient. So, either everyone of you Kunluns are:

A. Not there yet, or

B. Beyond it?

Isn't there anyone in between who could post a brief vid? You wouldn't need to tell how it's done, I get the secrets till you've paid for it stuff. I'm cool with that. I just want to see what I might to pay so much money for. I'd be happy to right a check for twice the amount if I could just get a glimpse. I could even post date the check and send it tomorrow. Just tell me when it will occur.

A small correction related to usage of the word. 'Siddhi' means attainment and 'Siddha' is the one who has attained or accomplished.

So most people that have started level 2 must have be able to levitate to move on?

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It's all good, seriously

Drew I think you would enjoy Kunlun, once you can activate the energy (you probably do that already) you can do it in full lotus.

The secret stuff is a bit annoying, but at least the book is cheap and available.

OK when I was at a Level 4 retreat qigong master Chunyi Lin stated that the leader of Falun Gong claimed he could levitate but when asked by his followers to do so he wasn't able to.... Qigong master Chunyi Lin stated that he indeed levitated 9 feet up, spiraling, when in full-lotus -- but only after very deep mountain meditation.

I don't know -- I mean my friend was in Beijing last November and he was really impressed by the martial arts acrobat show for tourists -- lots of levitation (by wires of course). haha.

Maybe useless but if you can do that then that is a skill and hardly can be attained if any!!

The siddhis of having good friends, a loving family, a comfortable lifestyle, a career you enjoy, etc aren't exactly chump change.

But having said that, it is very true... seek ye first the Kingdom of Heaven. To the extent that one can do that, the happier one can be in the fickle Siddhi City.

Oh, I was just referring to the physical world as Siddhi City... not a gambling casino or anything.