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joeblast
I saw this question posted over on the Foundation board, thought it might get a little more discussion here. Interesting topic! Thoughts, impressions?

QUOTE(ccot)
Hi guys,

I came across this recently and was wondering if anyone could shed some light on how this might effect practice, in the context of the microcosm in the body reflecting the macrocosm of the solar system...

"Scientists have gone on record to predict "the next solar cycle will be up to 50 percent stronger than the previous." (NASA) ---- It is known as Cycle 24 and is expected to be as much as 50 percent stronger than its predecessor C-23.

"To present a frame work of just what "50 percent stronger" might look like, let's go back to Cycle 23. In this cycle we witnessed sunspot counts into the 400's. The prediction for Cycle 23's 'apex' or (maximum) issued by NASA was 150. The count had more than doubled. We also witnessed the largest solar flare ever recorded on November 4th 2003 known as the "Halloween Flare". This solar flare, and following CME, was so large it literally pegged the needles on all gages. It buried all the instruments which measure magnetic flux and charged particles. It literally shocked the science community.

"At the time, the instruments to measure the strength of a solar flare and CME showing its and its affect on our (Earth's) magnetic field, only went to 9. Until this day, an X-9 was the largest flare recorded. On November 4th 2003 a solar flare and following CME (coronal mass ejection) exploded just as it began rotating over the western limb of the Sun. If it had been just 48 to 72 hours earlier, the flare would have been Earth directed and we would have experienced a direct hit.

"The strength of this event measured an X-40, of which such strength had never been witnessed or anticipated. Even to this day we can only speculate the damage it would have caused to our power grids, satellites, GPS, and any number of devices which depend on communication or directional satellites."


I don't know how accurate the information is but it seems to be relatively legitimate.

Any opinions, insights?

Chris.
sheng zhen
QUOTE(joeblast @ Feb 25 2008, 07:29 PM) *

I saw this question posted over on the Foundation board, thought it might get a little more discussion here. Interesting topic! Thoughts, impressions?

I used to follow the space weather some years ago because I noticed everything was hightened during intence solar storms.

My impression was that mind went faster, people where more emotional, I felt more creative and active, more accidents happened, etc.

I noticed these cycles among friends and started paying attention to it. And it seems to fit pretty well with solar activity. But its subtle, pretty much the same subtleness the full moon has on us. Its many years since I payed attention to this. But it was fun to follow the space weather, it had a three day forecast at that time, so I could pepare for the storms and use the hightened energy. Its fun to experiment with, but I dont think it is important for practice. If we are going to pay attention to all the cycles affecting us we would go mad... I know I would biggrin.gif
joeblast
Speaking of space weather.... http://www.spaceweather.com

true enough, but sun and moon are two biggies... biggrin.gif I'm just curious as to influences!
sheng zhen
QUOTE(joeblast @ Feb 25 2008, 09:13 PM) *

Speaking of space weather.... http://www.spaceweather.com

true enough, but sun and moon are two biggies... biggrin.gif I'm just curious as to influences!

Here is a page you can use to follow the activity from day to day: http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/today.html
Its very low activity right now.

But maby I misunderstood. Its not the day to day influence your asking for, but the effect of hightened solar activity over the years?

Oolong Rabbit
It makes sense that this phenomena would have an effect on cultivation. Eva Wong describes taoist practices of absorbing the energy from the Sun and Moon, but claims it is a fairly advanced practice.
joeblast
I just wished to generate some discussion and see what people thought of the subject in general. For instance, would it be proper to not practice in the times of a CME? I'm sure it has an effect on the magnetosphere...
DaoWaDiddy
At a slightly more subtle level than huge solar flares I ran across this article that talks about solar vibrations or waves that some scientists think have a terrestrial impact (undersea cable voltage fluctuations, seismic variations, etc.)

http://space.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn12520
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To answer your question Joeblast, as we practice more, we will become more sensitive to such solar events but at the same time increasingly unaffected by them. So I would say, unless we do a daily sun gazing or any other direct sun related practices, we shouldn't be worried about such things.

On the other note, it would be interesting to observe the excessive relience on electronic commulications balance out with a complete black out. Not that I want to see the aftereffect, but it would be a good way for people to learn a few things about themselves. smile.gif
M.
durkhrod chogori
I'd stay away from the sun during summer months. Too much Yang energy. Of course you need to match that with your personal astrological and Yin & Yang profile.

On the other hand, moon energy is very positive because is very Yin, especially when full. But as I said before it all depends on your make up as too much Yin is bad for certain people. All phases of the moon influence Earth and its sentient beings is a definite way.

Solar eclipses are also interesting, they are a new moon with huge impact. The Moon blocks the light of the Sun. In this moment of perceived darkness, spirituality and the psyche combine anew, beginning another cycle in the spiral of our spiritual development.

Etc.
sheng zhen
QUOTE(joeblast @ Feb 26 2008, 04:52 AM) *

I just wished to generate some discussion and see what people thought of the subject in general. For instance, would it be proper to not practice in the times of a CME? I'm sure it has an effect on the magnetosphere...

The solar winds create geomagnetic activity and affects powerlines and electrical systems here on earth. This activity ofcourse also affects our nerves and other things that are affected by electromagnetism.

My personal observation is that during intense solar storms every internal activity is intensified. Thought are intensified and things seem to go faster. I think faster, work faster, etc, and lose mysel faster, react faster and enter reaction patterns faster, etc. This makes blindspots more visible and there is more conflict among people and more things happening.

Some friends and me used to have a ongoing dialogue by mail at the time I payed attention to this. We spent more time writing mails than doing actual work... Petty much like we do here on TaoBums wink.gif During solar winds the intensity of the dialogue always got very high and we easily ended up in very intense discussions. I could also see that the people at work more easily got stressed.

I also feel that the energysystems are intensified. There is more energy in the aura, more movements and activity. Aurora in the north skies are an effect of solar winds so there may be a logical connection to the auric field around humans. I have some theories according to this but they are only theories.

I would like to hear how other people are affected by solar winds so maby we can pay attention next time the activity intensifies and report back here?
joeblast
I'll have to keep an eye on spaceweather and we'll have to compare notes smile.gif

SPACE WEATHER Current conditions
Solar wind
speed: 748.5 km/sec
density: 2.2 protons/cm3
Updated: Today at 1736 UT

X-ray Solar Flares
6-hr max: A0 1210 UT Feb29
24-hr: A0 1210 UT Feb29
Updated: Today at: 1730 UT


The sun is blank--no sunspots right now!

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joeblast
Cool pic of this last entire solar cycle, courtesy of soho...1996-2006, anticlockwise...

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And a movie of it
sheng zhen
QUOTE(joeblast @ Mar 26 2008, 04:53 PM) *

Cool pic of this last entire solar cycle, courtesy of soho...1996-2006, anticlockwise...

And a movie of it

Wow, what a picture!!!

It seems we are very low in solar activity these days. I thought it was ups and downs, but didnt know it was as cyclic as this. I played around with solar storms in 1999-2000, and I remember it was a lot more active than it has been since you started this thread. So this explains why there isnt much activity now days...

It seems there is a little more activity right now though. The last forecast predicts very low to low activity. It has been very low the last weeks and not much to play with. But maby we get some flares to examine the effects of soon wink.gif
joeblast
Yeah, there's 3 on the sun right now, but I was reading that due to their orientation and characteristics, it puts them as remnants of cycle 23 instead of the 24 that we are going into presently. I think we're still in a low spot for a bit before it kicks back into high gear. I think the one after that is predicted as a very low one that will translate to cooler temperatures on earth. We'll see where AGW is then laugh.gif

Click the 'pic' link above and check out the other wavelength pics in blue, yellow, and green. Some interesting and different aspects in each!
sheng zhen
There was a pretty high peak at the end of the 25th. If I remember correctly it takes about three days to reach earth.

http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/today.html
joeblast
The 25th hasnt happened yet, bro smile.gif You talking 23rd? Here's a link to those remnant spots from 23.

Seeing pictures like this really makes me want to spend the cash on a hydrogen alpha filter...honestly its the only reason I am still hanging on to my 5 footer with the 8" mirror - too expensive to buy a better base for it; the one I have sucks and its basically only good for looking at the moon.
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I saw an interesting article on space.com today that talked about these 'solar tsunamis' that accompany CMEs. Amazing watching these things race across the sun! (visible at certain wavelengths)
http://www.space.com/php/video/player.php?...1-solar-tsunami

This one is OT but its a cool effect: the circumzenithal arc, formed by ice crystals high in the atmosphere. Center bows sunwards, red on the outside!

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joeblast
PLASMA RAIN: There's a rainstorm underway on the sun's eastern limb. You'd better bring your asbestos umbrella, though, because the "droplets" are Texas-sized blobs of hot plasma:


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Prominences are clouds of hydrogen held above the surface of the sun by magnetic fields. While this particular cloud appears to be raining like a summer shower on Earth, the true situation is more complicated. Look carefully: Some of the plasma raindrops are falling "up." That's because the motions are controlled by not only gravity but also magnetism, a force of little importance in terrestrial rainstorms. The solar magnetic field is rooted below the sun's visible surface; roiling motions in the body of the sun itself cause magnetic fields high overhead to shift, wriggle, and "rain" in all directions. No wonder prominences are so much fun to watch.

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spaceweather rules smile.gif
dao zhen

what beautiful pictures........

show us more!
Yoda
Waaaaay cool pics!!!! Thanks for posting!!!
Wun Yuen Gong
What do you think of Sun gazing practice the guy lives off sunlight and water doesnt even eat?

great pics!
neidan practitioner
QUOTE(Wun Yuen Gong @ May 23 2008, 08:14 PM) *

What do you think of Sun gazing practice the guy lives off sunlight and water doesnt even eat?
great pics!


Do you mean this guy, Hira Ratan Manek (HRM)?
Link: Hira Ratan Manek
Spectrum
I've always enjoyed practicing at sunset. There is something special about seeing the last few rays of light as the sun passes the horizon line, and continuing into the dusks dimming. On rare occasion, rising early enough for the dawns early light... hendrix style.
froggie
what my question would be is: what are the ways to protect your own electronic equipment? and your own little powerplant in the form of solarpanel and windgenerators with all of the 'bells and whistles' (the complete system) - and so on.

p.s. your thoughts on free energy? there are some interesting things to be found with google and other sites
Yoda
During my sungazing phase, there were two occasions that I could see sunspots. That was very cool. And the sunspots must have been many times the size of the earth too.

Hira Ratan Manek was caught laying cable at one point, so there's a lot of doubt as to whether or not he's legit. Many have followed his system and not had any progress towards inedia.
neidan practitioner
QUOTE(Yoda @ May 24 2008, 03:32 PM) *

Hira Ratan Manek was caught laying cable at one point, so there's a lot of doubt as to whether or not he's legit. Many have followed his system and not had any progress towards inedia.

Caught laying cable? Not sure what you mean. Can you elaborate?
[Edit:] Actually, never mind. I did a search on the internet and I see that Hiram Ratan Manek
supposedly made some claims that he was studied by NASA, but a spokesperson at NASA
apparently claimed they know nothing about such a study. However, I didn't see this claim on his website,
but maybe it was once there and he removed it from the website. HRM was apparently studied
by a team of scientists/doctors in India where he was observed over a 411 day period by the team.
I have no idea how tight the controls were on this research, but in the report I read he apparently
stopped passing stool after the 16th day. If he was sneaking food when the scientists weren't watching,
you'd think they would have noticed that he was still continuing to pass stool througout the 411 days.
Anyway, I don't know anything more about HRM other than what I read from doing a quick search on
the internet. Maybe others here know more about him.
Bum Grasshopper
Laying cable, laying pipe, plowing the field, bumping uglies, burying the bone, doing push ups till you puke, touching some guts, doing the nasty, cleaning your pipe, slapping the ball sack,

Any more?
joeblast
Current Auroral Oval:
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I'll definitely be keeping an eye out on this and geomagnetic storms when I go up to alaska...last time I was up there in 04 I saw some cool auroras.

Reading more on the interplanetary magnetic field, I was intrigued by this tidbit on the interaction between the IMF and the earth's magnetosphere:

Earth has a magnetic field, too. It forms a bubble around our planet called the magnetosphere, which deflects solar wind gusts. (Mars, which does not have a protective magnetosphere, has lost much of its atmosphere as a result of solar wind erosion.) Earth's magnetic field and the IMF come into contact at the magnetopause: a place where the magnetosphere meets the solar wind. Earth's magnetic field points north at the magnetopause. If the IMF points south -- a condition scientists call "southward Bz" -- then the IMF can partially cancel Earth's magnetic field at the point of contact.

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Above: Earth's magnetosphere. From the Oulu Space Physics Textbook.

"When Bz is south, that is, opposite Earth's magnetic field, the two fields link up," explains Christopher Russell, a Professor of Geophysics and Space Physics at UCLA. "You can then follow a field line from Earth directly into the solar wind" -- or from the solar wind to Earth. South-pointing Bz's open a door through which energy from the solar wind can reach Earth's atmosphere!

Southward Bz's often herald widespread auroras, triggered by solar wind gusts or coronal mass ejections that are able to inject energy into our planet's magnetosphere.
Heidi1975
Whooooa now we're talking! Spacephysics!!

I can't help thinking about conspiracy-theories when you link practice and solar activity. What if there's a slight truth to the Nibiru-myth and that it will be at it's pericentre in 2012...?

It could explain why the maximum 2011/12 will be stronger than ever...

I look forward to some awesome substorms and auroras!
joeblast
http://www.universetoday.com/2008/05/25/2012-no-planet-x/

If there was a planet x, we would have clearly detected it by now. smile.gif

From what I understand, we'll just be coming in line with the galactic plane in 2012, nothing more. I dont recall predictions about solar activity this next cycle, but I do recall reading that the sun will be trending down with respect to sunspots in the next couple cycles, which should lead to some cooling for us...
Heidi1975
QUOTE(joeblast @ May 30 2008, 09:31 PM) *

http://www.universetoday.com/2008/05/25/2012-no-planet-x/

If there was a planet x, we would have clearly detected it by now. smile.gif

From what I understand, we'll just be coming in line with the galactic plane in 2012, nothing more. I dont recall predictions about solar activity this next cycle, but I do recall reading that the sun will be trending down with respect to sunspots in the next couple cycles, which should lead to some cooling for us...


Well, the rumors say it is being monitored right now, but it's a secret cool.gif
The next maximum is 2011. Do you have a link to what you've read? What does it mean "trending down"? Is it relative to present activity or are there some changes in the solar magnetic field?
I see you're updated on reconnection and magnetospheric processes, that's cool smile.gif Reconnection rules!
joeblast
trending down I meant periods of lower sunspot minimums like we've been experiencing. we've had 4 sunspots to date this year.

speaking of reconnection, I came across an interesting article on space.com today - a 'reconnection' of sorts seems to happen every 8 minutes per these guys, as the earth crosses field lines there are interactions of the magnetic fields between earth & sun:

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http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/0811...ic-portals.html

Strange Portal Connects Earth to Sun
By Jeanna Bryner
Senior Writer
posted: 03 November 2008
08:22 am ET

Like giant, cosmic chutes between the Earth and sun, magnetic portals open up every eight minutes or so to connect our planet with its host star.

Once the portals open, loads of high-energy particles can travel the 93 million miles (150 million km) through the conduit during its brief opening, space scientists say.

Called a flux transfer event, or FTE, such cosmic connections not only exist but are possibly twice as common as anyone ever imagined, according to space scientists who attended the 2008 Plasma Workshop in Huntsville, Ala., last week.

"Ten years ago I was pretty sure they didn't exist, but now the evidence is incontrovertible," said David Sibeck, an astrophysicist at the Goddard Space Flight Center in Maryland.

Dynamic bursts

Researchers have long known that the Earth and sun must be connected. For instance, particles from the sun are constantly whisked away via the solar wind and often follow magnetic field lines that connect the sun's atmosphere with terra firma. The field lines allow particles to penetrate Earth's magnetosphere, the magnetic bubble that surrounds our planet.

"We used to think the connection was permanent and that solar wind could trickle into the near-Earth environment anytime the wind was active," Sibeck said. "We were wrong. The connections are not steady at all. They are often brief, bursty and very dynamic."

Several speakers at the workshop outlined the formation of a flux transfer event. One idea is that on the side of Earth facing the sun, our magnetic field presses against the sun's magnetic field. And about every eight minutes, the two fields briefly reconnect, forming a portal through which particles can flow. The portal takes the form of a magnetic cylinder about as wide as Earth.

Sibeck said to think of the FTE as a giant rolling pin that lies flat along the boundary between the Earth's and sun's magnetic fields. (He noted the rolling pin would have to be malleable so it could pierce through both magnetic fields while lying flat.)

"These FTEs kind of look like roller pins, and they form as little blob roller pins at the tip of the magnetosphere facing the sun," Sibeck told SPACE.com. "They can't decide which way they're going to slide around the Earth, so they grow there into big roller pins and then they take off and sort of spirally roll along [Earth's magnetosphere] like you're pounding out dough."

More than one FTE can form at once, he said, and they stay open for about 15 to 20 minutes.

More to learn

In order to measure such FTEs, spacecraft must not only catch them forming but also be on either end of the magnetic structures (either lengthwise or widthwise). In fact, the European Space Agency's fleet of four Cluster spacecraft and NASA's five THEMIS probes have flown through and surrounded these cylinders, measuring their dimensions and sensing the particles that shoot through, Sibeck said. While these measurements have nailed down the width of an FTE, the length is still uncertain though one measurement put it at up to five Earth radii. One Earth radius is about 4,000 miles (6,400 kilometers).

Astrophysicist Jimmy Raeder of the University of New Hampshire used those measurements to develop computer simulations of the portals. He found the cylindrical portals tend to form above Earth's equator and then in December, the FTEs would roll over the North Pole. In July, they roll over the South Pole.

Sibeck thinks the events occur twice as often as previously thought, proposing two types of flux transfer events — active and passive.

When the magnetic cylinders are active, they allow particles to flow through rather easily, forming important conduits of energy for Earth's magnetosphere, Sibeck said. When passive, the cylinders have more resistance to transiting particles. The internal structure of a passive cylinder makes it tougher for particles and magnetic fields to flow through. Sibeck has calculated the properties of passive FTEs and hopes he and his colleagues will hunt for signs of them in data collected with THEMIS and Cluster.

The space scientists at the workshop still want to figure out why the portals form every eight minutes and how magnetic fields inside the cylinders twist and coil.
joeblast
interesting...


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NASA PAGE

A Giant Breach in Earth's Magnetic Field

Dec. 16, 2008: NASA's five THEMIS spacecraft have discovered a breach in Earth's magnetic field ten times larger than anything previously thought to exist. Solar wind can flow in through the opening to "load up" the magnetosphere for powerful geomagnetic storms. But the breach itself is not the biggest surprise. Researchers are even more amazed at the strange and unexpected way it forms, overturning long-held ideas of space physics.

"At first I didn't believe it," says THEMIS project scientist David Sibeck of the Goddard Space Flight Center. "This finding fundamentally alters our understanding of the solar wind-magnetosphere interaction."

The magnetosphere is a bubble of magnetism that surrounds Earth and protects us from solar wind. Exploring the bubble is a key goal of the THEMIS mission, launched in February 2007. The big discovery came on June 3, 2007, when the five probes serendipitously flew through the breach just as it was opening. Onboard sensors recorded a torrent of solar wind particles streaming into the magnetosphere, signaling an event of unexpected size and importance.

"The opening was huge—four times wider than Earth itself," says Wenhui Li, a space physicist at the University of New Hampshire who has been analyzing the data. Li's colleague Jimmy Raeder, also of New Hampshire, says "1027 particles per second were flowing into the magnetosphere—that's a 1 followed by 27 zeros. This kind of influx is an order of magnitude greater than what we thought was possible."

The event began with little warning when a gentle gust of solar wind delivered a bundle of magnetic fields from the Sun to Earth. Like an octopus wrapping its tentacles around a big clam, solar magnetic fields draped themselves around the magnetosphere and cracked it open. The cracking was accomplished by means of a process called "magnetic reconnection." High above Earth's poles, solar and terrestrial magnetic fields linked up (reconnected) to form conduits for solar wind. Conduits over the Arctic and Antarctic quickly expanded; within minutes they overlapped over Earth's equator to create the biggest magnetic breach ever recorded by Earth-orbiting spacecraft.

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Above: A computer model of solar wind flowing around Earth's magnetic field on June 3, 2007. Background colors represent solar wind density; red is high density, blue is low. Solid black lines trace the outer boundaries of Earth's magnetic field. Note the layer of relatively dense material beneath the tips of the white arrows; that is solar wind entering Earth's magnetic field through the breach.


The size of the breach took researchers by surprise. "We've seen things like this before," says Raeder, "but never on such a large scale. The entire day-side of the magnetosphere was open to the solar wind."

The circumstances were even more surprising. Space physicists have long believed that holes in Earth's magnetosphere open only in response to solar magnetic fields that point south. The great breach of June 2007, however, opened in response to a solar magnetic field that pointed north.

"To the lay person, this may sound like a quibble, but to a space physicist, it is almost seismic," says Sibeck. "When I tell my colleagues, most react with skepticism, as if I'm trying to convince them that the sun rises in the west."

Here is why they can't believe their ears: The solar wind presses against Earth's magnetosphere almost directly above the equator where our planet's magnetic field points north. Suppose a bundle of solar magnetism comes along, and it points north, too. The two fields should reinforce one another, strengthening Earth's magnetic defenses and slamming the door shut on the solar wind. In the language of space physics, a north-pointing solar magnetic field is called a "northern IMF" and it is synonymous with shields up!


"So, you can imagine our surprise when a northern IMF came along and shields went down instead," says Sibeck. "This completely overturns our understanding of things."

Northern IMF events don't actually trigger geomagnetic storms, notes Raeder, but they do set the stage for storms by loading the magnetosphere with plasma. A loaded magnetosphere is primed for auroras, power outages, and other disturbances that can result when, say, a CME (coronal mass ejection) hits.

The years ahead could be especially lively. Raeder explains: "We're entering Solar Cycle 24. For reasons not fully understood, CMEs in even-numbered solar cycles (like 24) tend to hit Earth with a leading edge that is magnetized north. Such a CME should open a breach and load the magnetosphere with plasma just before the storm gets underway. It's the perfect sequence for a really big event."

Sibeck agrees. "This could result in stronger geomagnetic storms than we have seen in many years."


http://www.nasa.gov/mpg/297403main_THEMIS_svsLG.mpg
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