Has anyone tried doing Kunlun 2?

I think K1 will be enough for me to work on for awhile but was interested if anyone went ahead and practicing K2. If so, how has the practice added to K1 practice?

BTW, Max said he doesn't think too many people will be able to do K2 or have the discipline to practice it long term. I think I would like to try it eventually but want to make sure the whole nervous system thing is cool and channels are good first.

Also, if Mantra is reading does Max ever plan on teaching K2 or does he prefer people focus on K1 and Red Phoenix?

I've noticed that and I like a challenge, but I've got a few months to go with K1 yet (getting it back to everyday would be nice too, currently at do 2, miss a day)

I did level 2 for about one month before I dropped out of practicing kunlun. That was after doing level 1 for about 4 months. Level 2 felt great! It really lifts the practice to a whole new level. But it was hard. And it was very difficult to know if I did it correctly based on the descrption in the book. I did write to Mantra but didnt get an answer. Guess it got lost in all the level 1 questions. I dont mind.

Max said in the book that most people drop out here, but that their curiosity gets them started again after a while. I guess Im one of those

Yeah, i would like to know also!

i dont do any but i do have similar breath retention exercises and what not. Do you hold the breath down into the Dan Tian on level 2 or circulate it?

WYG

Dont think the book said anything about holding it in the dan tian. It just said to hold the breath.

From the bit of K2 practice I've done, reverse breathing is pretty much a must. I'll see if I can even start putting to words what the difference was, but in a way its like trying to describe K1 energy to someone that's never practiced it before.

Hi, i dont reverse breath in kunlun 2 posture, you mean the standing posture right ? I dont breath that much at all in that posture

Feels like your starving and instead of absorbing oxygen you start absorbing the kunlunenergy you developed in the K1 posture (wich you practiced right before K2 and kept the magnetic potential .. the KL-energy .. alive).

My focus is on the hand not on the dantien, dantienfocus is after the excercise for grounding or you act weird from all the energy bouncing/waving around in your body (and head) hehe.

I dont know if anyone ever mentioned it here but after K2 for a certain amount of time it seems like you get an intense energyfield (because of lack of better words) wich you can also perceive clearly as your upper dt gets the necessary fuel The visual perception of the energy starts around your hand and arm and after a while your whole body, its kinda hard to ignore.

edit: I especially keep it a bit vague so people wont try to reproduce the K2 posture witouth having read the book toroughly.

Cheers !

edit2: the book didnt lie when they said KL2 will put great energetic pressure on your system if your not used to the energy from the KL1 posture, KL2 is indeed very strong and the longer you practice KL1 the better your foundation will be for KL2. KL2 seems to compress the energy you allready aquired in KL1 and add extra !

Also think about the fact this is yust how i perceived it personally and its possible you will get other results, yust tried to put it as clear as possible witouth giving to much away. There is more yes but i dont want people confused (im no expert and english is not my 1st language so its hard to explain sometimes) or even worse .. looking for things to happen as it would defeat the purpose of kunlun.

good one minkus, my experience has been much the same. first bunch of times I did it my eyes teared kinda like the quick fire tears Luk described in Taoist Yoga. I also had these weird memory rushes and more niwan experiences.
I forgot about the feet...it makes my feet buzz like crazy...also got this corkscrewing energy coming off the sword finger...

curious to see what augustleo's experience with this will be when he gets to it...we should talk to max in NJ and get a quick couple of pointers

saw bio field very clearly around arms and fingers during K2.
perception is much magnified.
Having great insights into this system.

Not only at the fingers i noticed, after exhale when you get back to starterposition and again to finger what it feels like is your making a corkscrewer of your whole body.

Same as with KL1 when you need that littlebit extra you twist your spine from left to right with hands still in KL1 position and you get that vortex again.

Its fun and also pleasant at your feet yeh

Anyone still in level 2?

1/could retention be done with closed eyes?
2/ has somebody tried to timeout how long is one's session in level 2?

Mine currently is 10-10.20 for 12 reps(6 left+ 6 right)...

sounds similar. I was off KL2 for two, or three weeks. The pressure, or resistance build up is really amazing. At first the exhilaration after practices made me wonder why anyone would ever quit. After two weeks in the intensity was very overwhelming. Sitting here typing right now the pressure build up is very distracting. The long term benefit of completing level two, fortunately is so obvious that quitting is not an option.

Retention with eyes closed produces some intresting results

Didnt time sessions yet.

Max actually doesn't practice level 2 himself because it will cause him to transition over very quickly. Critical mass.

He has to keep himself here a little while longer for all of our sakes.

Hi Mantra I sent you a pm did you get it??
I wish to learn more. Will Max ever make a DVD of Kunlun to go with the book? Is a new book on the way?
Peace
Jedi777

One thing that is happening a lot is that I get dizzy spaced out and exhausted spinning during Kunlun if I allow my body to do its thing. I don't know if this almost fainting dizzy feeling is what some call the *death experience* or sth else.


I often do Red Phoenix immediately after K1 . A more advanced student said one can continue w/o closing kunlun and let the kunlun enrgy work the red phonix. The closing is done after both practices. In this case, shall I do the right over left red phoenix closing or the left over right kunlun closing at the end of the session?


One more question:
Does one need to do a closing down after doing K1 before K2? I assume that closing is not done as the book said something like to continue w/o break.

Thanking all in advance for helping to clear up these questions.

"There are few people who will make mistakes with fire after having once been burned. Of people who regard water lightly, many have been drowned." -Hagakure

LOL,yes he better be careful.he dont wanna do that

No closedown between 1 & 2...gotta keep the energy going!

Thanks for your clarification. Another question for who care to answer:

I often have spontenous Kunlun movements outside of my dedicated practice sessions. Though unscheduled, I allow it to take its own course if I am at a safe place. These too can be quite intense.

Is closing down needed for these movement that happens on its own?

I work on ladders . Sometimes my body self corrects from tension built up by shooting my arm out very quickly to the side -its' very fluid, and sort of martial. I am never worn out from work any more.
Great nature will not allow harm. I think this stuff appears very attractive to sensitive people. Insensitive people (are there any left?) don't seem to notice. Martial artists seem to get very competitive. Competitive, and living in the dark for many years. In the middle of the day bright light slips in..what pains rise to the surface. No body wants to do the dirty work. It's like a basement filled with papers needing to be sorted, better to burn it all up? Naw, but then the house would burn down! Maybe just one bundle of paper in the furnace at a time...? Better have some water on hand just in case, there's a faucet up stairs... .. .

Hi Chris.. so who will be shepard for Kunlun Two crowds and answer their's questions?

Neither you nor Max don't do it...

In the millions of bits of Kunlun info I remember

"One thing to keep in mind is that traditionally this practice was given to the student and then they were told to leave and come back in seven years. They were left on their own to discover their own truths and to fight their own demons." from Mantra68 (advanced search keyword "seven" and member "mantra68")

Perhaps we won't need a Shepard

(personally I don't think my foundation is ready for L2 yet, have not given it a go)

Practical Pilgrims Dahaah! "So there I was... surrounded by Indians..." S.M.

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Mantra
Is there a practice that will slow it down a bit? for several days? Maybe shut it off?
Stopping practice doesn't effect the progression, which is still going light speed, and i am not ready for that last step right now
Metamorphosis sucks

LOL at my own post now was just affraid i might really die

Interesting question.

I just took a week off of Kunlun to let things settle a bit and that seems to have helped. I didn't feel like I was going Dragon Body or anything just the energies were getting too intense for me to enjoy everyday things. After a week I started K1 again.

Though I asked Mantra about this several times after my first workshop experience and it seems just stop practicing for awhile was the prescription.

Good luck.

Max will be teaching level 2 of Kunlun and Red Phoenix 2 and 3 this July in Maui.

Maui Wowie

too bad I cant make that one

Hi Mantra... any chance to get the same programm for next Australian one?

Yes in Sydney if you can?

Seems like most of the crowds decided to stay with level 1 or quit level 2 after some time...

Anybody who keep incrementing in level 2?

I hesitate to do it since I still get such intense energetic experiences from Kunlun 1 and Red Phoenix 1(there are also 3 levels to RP)

Also, Max mentioned it's not necissary. Still, it looks like a pretty cool practice. I think Craig has or was practicing it.

I didnt stop level 2 because of anything other than my own life's distractions I will get back to it and complete it sometime in the near future, once I feel I've established a regimen again...

Silence make me think that I am the only one left... at least if i would disappear from forum you could blame level 2

the mystery of the disappearing KoHsuan

I tried L2 recently, actually the same day I did K1 twice. The second time through K1 was a lot more intense, I can see why AugustLeo practices 2x a day {IIRC} but it's hard enough finding 1h20m let alone ~3h a day

But I don't feel ready yet for K2, retention is definitly not ready and the K1/RP practice sounds a lot more more "time efficient" Bring on the seminar but hang in there KoHsuan if you make it through K2 you won't NEED any seminar

I was re reading my book (waiting for the new one) and if anyone managed to do K1 [an hour] K2 [36 reps] K3 [an hour] for a year thats a dam impressive chunk of time devoted to meditation. I can see why they call this the quick path. Personally I love doing K1 when "I" feel like it (ie. have not done any for the last 3 days after my 2 in a day experiment)

YCT
WID
GIO

Hi all...

Sorry I know this post is a little old but I had question or two as I am new to Kunlun and have just purchased the book. I am fascinated by the accounts of people on here and their experiences. There are lots of you talking of great amounts of energy during and after practice. I was wondering how many have actually had those kinds of experiences (with K1 or K2) and not actually been to a seminar? I ask because it may be quite some time before I can attend one

I have more questions but will save them for the book when it arrives!

The retention effects from level two are actually not as potent as the Red Sun practice (which we have given freely to da bums here cuz we luv you all so much).

Red Sun will push you right to the barrier and then to the scary place beyond. Not many are brave enough to push it, but those who do find a great treasure.

YM

I just looked at the Red Sun Practice. I have done a few similar practices before and also worked lots with the heart. I will try this later this evening after grounding myself. The only thing I might try as an extra is a big smile at the light in my heart. Is that ok?

I like to think I am brave, lol but I have chickened out of these kinds of things before. The last one was a spontaneous Kundalini awakening practice from the 45th Shiva Sutra. Fear usually comes up for me and I start seeing things in the room and freak. I guess its all about surrender. I will put an update in the Red Sun Practice thread with the results.

Can't wait for the book. I will stop all other practices in prep.

what would happen if someone were to do red sun more than twice a month.

Like say once or twice a day.

chris,

could you please explain how combine Red Sun properly with the rest of Kunlun practices in one session?

I sometimes initiate the Red Sun after a few hours of Kunlun, if I feel like pushing the death/fear bubble. You could do it without doing Kunlun first though. Good for experiencing the magnetic body and "skin" breathing in addition to unfolding the heart.

I would heed Max's warning to not do this practice more than once or twice per month. More is NOT necessarily better in this case.

People need to understand that they are initiating alchemical processes with these types of practices. These processes continue to work even when they are not practicing. Listen to the prescription and you will open more naturally, force it and you will find out why you shouldn't have.

Good luck. Be safe.

Chris

If you guys are thinking about doing this stuff, then please read up on what happens in your body during breath retention. Some of these things, like the blackouts sneaking up on you, can happen during meditation as well if you mess up your breathing too much.

These provide a starting point, there's more detailed info out there as well, just search for apnea, hypercapnia and respiratory distress.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apnea

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shallow_water_blackout

Please be careful with these kinds of practise and if possible have someone keep an eye on you.

Stay safe.

HG

How dare you question Kunlun Mr Hup Gerk, do you know Max and his practices he is a Buddha and a high level lama!

Spirit Ape

Spirit Ape,

No one is questioning the practise, I am just stating a concern (and it comes from personal experience) that someone might overdo it and get hurt, that is all. It is always a good idea to read up a little before doing any practise that will alter your body chemistry. No?

Now, what I really wonder is...do spirit apes eat spirit bananas because I'd reckon 'em peaches are still far away...?

HG

You are questioning Max and Kunlun by posting the information if you read through the past many threads KUNLUN is a success more then what you know. I think you need to learn from a proper teacher before posting such crap Max has been around with all the best masters of China.

Spirit apes indeed eat spirit bananas!

Ape huh?

More like a monkey...

Now shut up and eat your banana like a good prosimian...

HG