Pietro, Ron, Plato, Max, Harry Pain, and Tripp have set up shop at taobum.com. It's great to still have access to their thoughts and there have been some great posts already.

I'm still patiently waiting for the Tao de Pietro. I thought that eating lots of eggs plus sungazing would allow me to bend the rules. While they help, the path of non-retention hasn't panned out for me. If there's a secret ingredient, let me know, but it looks like our hero will need to hold his sperm for eternity.

-Yoda

LOOK TAOBUM.COM BE JUST TO POST SCAT PR0N N TO PLAY CHESS NT O BADMOUTH SHIEKKY, SPYRROLLEX N MICCHALE WIMP DA ARCH-EVIL ONE, DONT BOTHER CUMMIN THERE UNLESS YA LIKE SCAT CUZ PIETTRO N PLATTO THATS ALL THEY WANNA POST.

BTW CARE TO PLAY CHESS??
http://www.taobum.com/ronnietsu/webchess/

I'm fine with playing, but I don't know the game very well. I did see "Searching for Bobby Fischer" though.

Not true Ron, I've gleaned some really useful gems sifting through the good times over there. For example, I've been playing with that simultaneous perineum and third eye pulsing meditation someone wrote about all week and lovin' it.

Sean.

It's odd how frequently I'm feeling near synchronicity with your discoveries. Maybe it's the sungazing putting us on a similar current. Retention has just picked up priority for me again ... I'm going on about two weeks now (amidst frequent sexual activity) ... which is not impressive but is also not bad in light of my adundant laziness and lack of discipline.

Sean,

Our experiences of sungazing are remarkably similar. I've heard this said from HRM as well as Mitchell Gibson that the sungazing learning curve is very predictable with the only real variable being how fast one wants to go through the process. There again, it looks like we are both settling in at the 10-15 minute per day mark.

From what I can infer, it sounds like there may be other taobums who are having similar experiences with it, but aren't posting as regularly.

It was foggy this morning and I was able to see a sunspot!

-Yoda

Sean,

About retention this time around...

Ron recently said that the million dollar point that Chia refers to in his book is further back than you think. There's sort of an indentation further back that does a better job at aborting lift off. By figuring that one out, I have minimized any PONR mistakes and I don't have to restart at day one anymore. It feels like it saves over 50% of the energy. For a retention apprentice like myself, that's a million dollar hint.

-Yoda

Using the million dollar point caused myself prostate inflammation... and started keeping sexual urge located and "caught" there... would I restart everything I'd NEVER even touch that point... on the other hand. Having an orgasm while pressing that point from within is way coooooooool...

just a thought

Harry

Sean,

how do you do that pulsating thing. Just imagine the pulsation? Muscle contractions involved? how many contractions a minute... or no fixed rules at all?

just curious

Harry

durn. sorry to hear that. I'm hoping that it's only a backup system and that I won't use it much... (perhaps.) Still newish with it. Anyone else have trouble with it?

-Yoda

Yoda. Although I haven't yet had the time to sufficiently practice it: do the key sound practice. If it works it is the way to go. AND: get yourself an Aneros. http://www.malegspot.com/default.php

I personally own all of them sold there (there are said to be many others with different length)... from those I very much prefer: the Maximus & even more the Eupho. Would I just get one it would be the Eupho. Last night I had it inside all night through...

I can see were it is heading. The continuous but easy going stimulation seems to train your prostate "last" longer before... and "with training" it is said to trigger nonejaculatory MO...

Harry
PS: I am on my way there. Still too tempting to finish off too soon.

the keysound practice is KILLER and when I did it regularly it really works. I never had a full blown heartgasm with it, but the effect was always very nice.

It's just that I'd need to add **yet another** practice to my life and that's something I'd like to keep to a dull roar.

Hmmmm.

And you are quite right--it helps you "change gears" and reeducate the body about what sex is for. Also, Mrs. Yoda liked that technique a lot when I got the hang of it. When I stopped practicing it, I left the Krishna zone and reverted to the apeman drill.

All in all, though, I think you are right. Thanks for reminding me of it.

HUA!
-Yoda

WOW. MAN. What more do you want when even Mrs. Yoda liked it (I would always "fear" my girl-friend feeling it to be silly...)?

Master this technique, THEN do others... it should be like riding a bicycle. Never to forget...

Harry

DA FINGER LOCK TECHNIQUE BE *NOT* SUPOSED TO BE USED AS A ROUTTINE YA DINGEBERRIES!!! IT BE DA TAO BUM'S *PANNIC BUTTON* DO YA GET IT???


LOOK YA DONT *HAVE* TO SHOVE OBJECTS UP YER BUNGA-HOWL TO PRACTICE CHING CULTIVVATION.

OF COURSE NOBODY'S GONNA PREVVENT YA FROM RIPPIN YER ANUS IF YA SO WISH, BUT DONT MAKE ITSOUND LIKE IT BE NECCISSARY.

ALL YA NEED TO DO BE DA POWER LOCK N SQUEEZE N DA REGGULAR CIRCULLATION N DA HUEVOS BREATH.

DA ONLY MOFO THAT NOTTORIOUSLY BE ADICTED TO ANUS RIPPIN BE SHIEKKY, HERE BE SHIEKKY EASY CHAIR (HE SELL EM USED OR TRADE EM FOR RUGS):




AARRGGHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just a backup--got it.

Power lock n squeeze is Chia's big draw, yes?

Thanks,.
Yoda

I didn't do the keysound out loud in front of Mrs Yoda--that's fucking mortifying. There's nothing quite as unsexy as the keysound. It's up there with thinking about dead puppies to back paddle from the edge.

Mentally with the breath.

Got a great idea: instead of greasing up for daily keysound practice while the little Yodsters are kicking at my door--I'll just do the funny sound while checking out free porn on the Internet. A bit more portable of a practice that way. Where's the best site?

I'm into barely legal Asians.

-Yoda

YODAMAN THEN YER KIDS WILL FIND YA WHILE SPANKIN DA BABOON IN FRONT O SITES LIKE THIS: link deleted WHILE HUMMIN DA SOUNDS, AARRGGHH, N THEYLL TELL DA TEACHER IN SCHOOL AARRGGHH!!!!!!!!


HUMMIN SOUNDS LEND ITSELF WELL WHEN EATTIN DA WIFE'S PEACH, WHICH BE ALSO DA RIGHT TIME TO DO DA BIG DRAW BTW.

JUST MINE 2 EUROS

RJ

Master Yoda. Aren't you off-protocol here, passing towards the dark side of the way???

The instructions are clear:
have a day or better two in between keysound training. Each session about 20 minutes...

so: no daily keysound practice except Mrs. yoda does that with you everyday...

in that case: lucky (or dead) man

HArry

Well. The aneros is a neat little device that will not rip your anus!!! and it is a helpful tool on the way to becoming a master...

Harry

Well,

it is too bad for those men that are fearful of getting in touch with their other side. This hits to the essence of alchemy, tantra, and complete integration. The fact is that the male G-Spot is the Prostate Gland! Stimulating this area is a fundamental part of many legit practices. I feel for ya Ron (and anyone else) that you are so phobic that you can't get over it! I am totally straight and I can only say that this area is the most awesome extension of my big black dick! lol

Seriously, there are men that can reach very high spiritual states with the aneros products. If one really understood the jing, chi , shen process, one would endorse these products full force!

Inner Peace,

Matt

MATT LOOK IF A CHICK FEEL LIKE STICKIN HER TONGUE OR HER FINGER UP DA MAHALINGAM BUNGA-HOWL, THAT BE NO PROBLEM WITH ME, BUT ON OTTHER HAND, DONT MAKE IT SOUND LIKE THERE BE ANNY THANG SPIRRITUAL IN TAKIN IT UP DA ARSE FOR A GUY.

I AM NOT SAYIN THAT FROM A MORRAL STAND-POINT BUT FROM A TECHNICAL STAND POIN. SEXUAL KUNG FU FOR A MAN INVOLVE ESENTIALLY DEVVELOPPIN CONTROL. NOW TAKIN IT UP DA ARSE LEAD TO DA OPOSITE IN MINE VIEW. I DONT SEE HOW I CAN MANNAGE TO PERFORM HEAVEN-EARTH ALCHEMMY WITH A WOMMAN IF I BE TAKIN IT UP DA ARSE. DO DA EVER-LASTIN HEAVEN TAKE IT UP DA ANUS??? WTF!!!

OF COURSE, IF THIS BE NOT OBVIOUS TO YA, I WONT WASTE YER TIME INSISTIN ON IT. ALL I AM GONNA SAY BE, SEX BE NOT JUST ABOUT IDDLE PLEASURIN ONESELF. SUMTIMES, YA EITHER GET DA MAGIC AT DA EXPENSES O PLEASURIN, OR YA GET IDDLE PLEASURIN AT A EXPENSES O MAGIC.THOSE TIMES, I CHOOSE DA MAGIC.
PLUS, I DONT WANNA BE KNOW AS DA IMMORTAL WITH A SCHLONGER UP DA ASS, THANK YA. AAARRGGHHHH

Ronny,

This is what I am talking about...

http://www.goddesstemple.com/ceremonies/male.htm

Matt

Well the description on Taobum was brief so I've just been exploring different variations creatively. Play with inhaling into the perineum and allowing it to "contract" or pull up of it's own volition, then on the exhale allow it to relax. You can also play with pulsing the muscles consciously. Another more subtle variation is to assume that it's already pulsing on some level (as everything is in fact) and aim to feel the pulsing and perhaps amplify it. Same goes for the the third eye, which is a bit harder (at least for me) to sense the pulsing of. After you get at least some sense of these points pulsing individually, after 10-15 minutes or so, then play with pulsing them together.

Interesting technique.

I've been doing a lot of work/exploration in my lower areas lately, body scanning my feet, legs, thighs, groin/anus/pubic area, abdomen and belly, psoas muscle, etc. My shen is guiding me to work through and process a ton of stuff in these regions and jing retention is giving me a feeling that I have a lot more "oomph" to work with. Much easier to get my whole lower region tingling and pulsing after two+ weeks of retention.

On the topic of Jing retention, in my studies this evening I stumbled across the biography of an occultist from the 1800's named Paschal Beverly Randolph. Interestingly enough, the sex magick he taught seems to involve 49 day periods of retention in which an intention/wish is cultivated/intensified. Then a sexual act is performed where the intention is held firmly in mind and finally fully energized by a simultaneous orgasm with your partner.

Seems like an interesting bridge between full-on "never-again" style Taoist/Hindu retention, and a "fuck it, I'm still a newbie I'll cum when I want" attitude. Also could relieve some of the guilt/discouragement that comes from losing your jing after a period of retention. At least it's been used to impregnate an important desire, preferably one that when manifested will strengthen your Work.




Sean.

Thankx much Sean. Just a few hours ago I posted the question again on the taobum forum... I try what you suggest

Harry

Sean,

That is very interesting about infusing an intention with orgasmic energy...

Anyway, I don't know if you know about the three finger technique but a modified upward draw / 3 finger works great! I actually think it is much more powerful than witholding and upward draw alone.

Matt

Hi all.

Ummm...it occurs to me that everyone is still talking about training wheels.

My education, courtesy of M.Chia primarily, was that the finger lock technique (wherever the pertinent point may be exactly) was an emergency technique which should eventually be grown out of.

The point is to move the energy with mind/intent, rather than let it almost leak out and then physically block it. This is forcing, and therefore, like traditional Iron shirt from M.Chia, somewhat excess yang and unnatural. Big draw is also not the end all of training. One should evolve to small sips and just circulating energy in rest phase.

My two cents.

Craig

Craig,

Eventually all of these techniques are outgrown. And shed for Reality itself. No question about this!

In my experience, which will not be necessarily anyone elses, 3 finger with upward draw was much more natural than holding back that which is natural and more powerful in generating jing for alchemy. I wanted to share that as this part can be a difficult change for people and they can put to much pressure on themselves that is actually counterproductive.

Inner Peace,

Matt

Here is one piece I surfed to from an above mentioned site, BEGINS

"So...how did you learn to do it?"

"I didn't learn. It just happened to me. You and D---- gave it to me by...by transmission, i guess. Remember back in the seventies when you all came to visit and we were driving along the cliffs above Lake Austin? Well, we were in the car...and we were rounding a curve... and i asked how you could learn to do that and D---- said, 'Just relax your abdominal muscles, breathe slowly, and stay conscious.'

"It was like...a blinding flash of light. Like Zen satori. The moment he said it, i knew what he meant. I...I felt it...inside myself...like something turning. I knew exactly what he meant. And i could hardly wait to get back home and try it with A---."

Why did i tell such a long, personal story to answer this question? Well, if hearing those simple instructions worked for my friend, maybe they will work for you.

THE REALITY BEHIND THE REVELATION

When i showed the above piece to Barry, he had the following commentary to add:

The incident cat describes is true but maybe not as mystical as it sounds. What happened is that I suddenly saw how what [her lover] said connected with things I already understood. As part of fitness training, I had lifted weights and done some yoga-style stretching. In the process I had learned a bit about how breathing worked to manage the tension and relaxation of muscles.
The build-up to orgasm involves a progressive increase in muscular tension. I realized that if I was more aware of where I was tensing, I could relax those muscles and maybe slow the process.

I noticed that along with my abdomen, my lower back and thighs would tense up as I approched orgasm. During sex I practiced relaxing those areas while holding on to the sensation I call the glow. One part of learning to relax was to keep breathing slowly and deeply, not holding my breath when orgasmic tension would start to build. I found that I could difuse the tension by taking shallower in-breaths and deeper out-breaths. One woman teased me about "blowing out birthday candles one by one."

Sometimes the moment that control turned out to be the most important for me was when I first entered my partner, especially if I was nervous or the whole thing was just too exciting. At those times, in addition to simple relaxation and breathing, I found that by wiggling my fingers or toes for a moment I could cue myself to loosen up if I was getting too tightly wound.

From the standpoint of maintaining control for an extended period, I think some positions are better than others. A position that has partners lying on their sides may work better than the so-called missionary or man-on-top position, since supporting your body push-up style makes it harder to stay loose. Woman-on-top gives you, the man, a good opportunity to stay loose, while your partner may enjoy the chance to be more active.

Another big help in maintaining relaxation is communication with your partner. Even with someone you don't know well, a few words about what you're trying to do gets you both on the same page. Likewise she may have some things she wants you to know.

Two brief stories illustrate how all this applies in real life:

At one time I was involved with a modest woman who often took a long time to come. She said that she liked sex, but for her it usually wasn't about orgasms. When we were able to take it slow, I could sometimes enjoy a couple of small peaks along the way, building the glow and backing off, as we worked our way to a big peak together.

In another stage of my life, I met a woman who was very comfortable with her body and was open about sex in general. We were able to talk about various sexual issues. For example, she had worked to control the contraction of her vaginal muscles and before long she took an interest in controlling her own orgasm response too. During sex we tried to maintain eye contact and we would signal as we got near our peaks. Sometimes we'd build and drop back together. Sometimes she'd go to orgasm while I'd hang back, and then we'd build again and both go over the edge.

There is no one right way to develop ejaculatory control, but by experimenting with a combination of relaxing key muscles, breathing, using certain positions, and maintaining communication, you can develop a style that works for you.

So there is one man's story -- and i thank him very much for taking the time to tell it.

"RELAX, JUST RELAX" ==end of quote

Seemed pretty interesting to me.

Peace

Michael