Left the internatinal Tao circle for a long time, I am back now. In these years, with great concentration, I studied the ancient Tao methods which were created by Fuxi, and got the secret of Tao now. I also lead a Tao group in China now, since I think Tao is not only for Chinese, but also for all people, for all things, and now the earthmen are confronted with big problems such as greenhouse effect, environment pollution, resource exhausted, etc., which will endanger the subsistence of all people, and these problems could not be solved by one nation, and I beleve the one and only escape of human being is in the ancient Tao thoughts, methods and technique, so, so, so... I think I am duty bound to promote the ancient Tao in the world not only for Chinese.

The avatar now I use is the real picture of Taiji, found by Fuxi at about 7,000 years ago. Later, it was lost in public, but kept in our school secretly.

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Very interesting and welcome back!

Could you please explain the meaning of this "original" Taiji, then?

Looks like the center of a toroidal vortex.

First impression was S stands for "SHAKTI!" .

Welcome back bro.

Hi Li Jiong,

I am a follower of Fuxi and would be interested in anything you have to say about your school.

Thanks for the welcome!
The original Taiji is very meaningful, now, I can just tell you the name of each part, the black area we call it 'Hun', the red area we call it 'Dun', the white area we call it 'Hong', the blue area we call it 'Meng', the center area we call it 'Ling'.


Thanks old friend!
our group (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cultivation/) is open for all old friends who did support me before, welcome to join us when you feel free.


Thank you for your interest!

Interesting. Looks like 五行 (wuxing) to me.

"The original Taiji is very meaningful, now, I can just tell you the name of each part, the black area we call it 'Hun', the red area we call it 'Dun', the white area we call it 'Hong', the blue area we call it 'Meng', the center area we call it 'Ling'."

Could you please give the Chinese characters for these names?

Would they happen to be:
Hun 浑
Dun　沌
Hong　鸿
Meng　蒙
Ling　灵 or 零

Hun 混
Dun　沌
Hong　鸿
Meng　濛
Ling　灵

At least it's a change from the duality fetish!

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Hey Li Jong. Nice and intriguing pictures!

Could you explain a little bit about what the wuji posture is good for?

And if you have the time, do you want to explain a little bit about the other pictures as well?

Wuji posture is the foundation of our ancient Tao cultivation system. It is very efficacious for health and power.
Hetu, Luoshu, Taiji, Wuxing, Bagua are the source of Chinese traditional culture, all magic secrets are hiden in these pictures.

Whats the name of this new system you teach and what are the methods of the system? sounds interesting!!

It is not a new system, but a very very old system with a history of about 7000 years. What Taiji, Xingyi, Bagua all originated from our school. Yet I do not have the time to introduce this system in detail in English, if you can read Chinese, perhaps you can access my Chinese Blog at http://i.cn.yahoo.com/newyiquan for the detail.

No i cant read chinese but says Yichuan is that what you do?

Whats the name of the art you have that is so old in chinese and english, whats its way of practice is there internal forms, standing meds, circle walking?

Please share some of your information!

WYG

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=ht...zh-CN&tl=en

Thanks mate, i still cant see any information on what his style is or what he is trying to put across unless ive missed it somewhere?

Yichuan is the art which I had been engaged in for more than ten years, it is quite good as a martial art, but I have not practiced it for years already.
The style that I am engaged in is a profound Tao cultivation system, it is called Xuanji (there is no corresponding word in English).

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Hetu opens out the rule of Xiantian (spiritual) world.
Luoshu opens out the rule of this world (Houtian universe).

So this old new system is mixed with Daoist theories and principles like most Daoist systems!

I dont understand what you are trying to put forth, is it meditation or moving chi kung sets like taiji, bagua, lui he ba fa, wun yuen yut hei jurng etc?

Tell us more about your art in how its cultivated without the daoist theory of wu xing, bagua, iching etc!

Well, I have nine teaching materials in Chinese are two teaching materials in English, here's the introduction of the English course:
Internal Cultivation Course - Part I
The main stuff of this part is Hunyuangong, Hunyuan means one's Jing, Qi and Shen are completely united as one. This formula follows the Dao theory of Wuji, Taiji and Yin Yang, the practice can absorb Qi from heaven and earth naturally, and digest them by Zhanzhuang (standing meditation) perfectly. Practice often, you will be naturally full of energy, and be naturally healthy. It is easy to approach, and it is very efficient, it will be your first step to a successful cultivation.

Internal Cultivation Course - Part II
The main stuff of this part is Houtian Bagua Practice. As far as know, these Bagua (Kun, Gen, Kan, Xun, Zhen, Li, Dui and Qian) Forms had never been spread in public before. Only the Center Form is taught and learned in Xingyiquan schools (it is called San Ti Shi there) and Baguazhang schools. But again, most Xingyiquan and Baguazhang practitioners do not know the real meaning of this Center Form. The essential contents of Hunyuan Gong are still reserved in Houtian Bagua Practice, the Bagua forms can refine your Qi naturally, and they are also the locks that can lock the unnecessary powers, so that the practice will be much safer. The reserved energy will nourish your Shen naturally instead of wasting in meaningless power show. There is also another important stuff - External Fire Work in this course, this practice is very helpful for refining your Houtian Jing, and it is also very efficient to pull out the root cause of diseases that are lurking in your inside.

Interesting i teach a style called Hun Yuan Yi Qi Zhuang "Primoridal chaos one chi palm" that is very old and dates back to Lao tzu. Has 64 sections like I Ching, and many other deep understandings! Its very nice old form longer then Lui He Ba Fa, uses jaam jongs, seated, lying meds, healing, push hands etc.

Many people these days use the name Hun Yuan Gong or as i spell it in cantonese "Wun Yuen Gong"!

regards
WYG

Hunyuan is the first stage of all cultivation styles, some may not use this name though.

So your Hun Yuan is more like Standing meditations from Yi Chuan something you put together from previous systems and daoist theories and methods?

My Hun Yuan system is more advanced then lui he ba fa according to my Sifu he been teaching and doing these arts for over 40 years.

WYG

Wuji standing is the basic exercise of our school, it is not from Yiquan, on the contrary, Xingyiquan -- the predecessor of Yiquan came from our school.
My Sifu has been doing this cultivation for more than 50 years, and his Sifu has been doing this cultivation for more than 100 years. Do you know Du Xinwu? Who was the first bodyguard of Sun zhongshan -- the first president of China. Du is the Sixiong (senior fellow apprentice) of my Sifu.

No never heard of them, do u have any clips of your new art?

Hi Li Jiong

good to see you back.. hope you will share some of what you have discovered.... I had purchased your yiquan second course materials a long time ago now... I remember also the clips that you posted some years ago showing the hou tien bagua... would be interested in hearing about your experiences practicing for these years...


also how is your lineage related to ziranmen-
you mentioned that your teacher is same generation as Du XinWu- and that they studied under the same teacher
would there mutual teacher be the figure referred to as Dwarf Xu?

how is the curriculum of your system similar or dissimilar to ziranmen?


Franklin

I do have some videos demostrated by my teacher, but he disallow me to distribute them. I also have some videos demostrated by myself, but they are for our group members only.

It's really sad that you come here and invite people to join your group, and then state on the group page that it is only for people that have bought your stuff.

Good enough for me! *signs up*


Also of course I have been wearing the wuxing symbol in silver around my neck for over a year, so that's a good sign.

I also feel like I should add something about this man's group. I have a messageboard where I answer questions from women. I don't restrict membership but I do expect that women who ask me questions have already read my book. Granted, my book only costs $11, but his first book is only $49--it's not like he's charging hundreds of dollars or anything. I think it makes a lot of sense, his time is worth something. It gets tiresome repeating oneself when the information is already easily obtained in a mass-produced form.

Oh, cool. I didn't sign up because I don't have enough information yet as to whether my money would be well spent if I bought what Li Jiong is selling. What is it? I buy cats in bags only when they're very cheap. $49 -- I would want to see the cat first. Fuxi's material and its derivatives is something I've been playing with for years, so I would have to know if there's anything there to know that I don't and would want to know, before taking a monetary plunge.

For a beginner in things taoist, however, it might be worth it if indeed it provides a convenient shortcut to taoist basics (provided it treats them as such without superimposing this or that master's agenda), which is the only sensible place to start. The overwhelming majority miss this crucial step and wind up inventing and reinventing so many lopsided wheels... That's where I started too, when I didn't know any better: trying to understand the middle and achieve this or that end without knowing the foundation. Which is impossible.

Well I am beginning at 42, so that might have given me a leg up! Also I am incredibly lazy, my best feature. If he has done the work of finding all this out, I will take advantage, because I am starting with zero knowledge. I will tell you what you want to know after I receive it. But the pictures he posted seemed right, so I am getting the course.

You are informative, Franklin. Yea, Dwarf Xu is one of my grandmaster. My teacher has also more than 10 teachers, Dwarf Xu is one of them. Du XinWu was too wild about politics, grandmaster Xu had to left him finally, so Du XinWu had not finish his study of cultivation actually, accordingly, ziranmen is lay particular stress on martial art. Mr. Du XinWu and his disciple Wan Laisheng both died, but Dwarf Xu is still living and in good health.
our system is far beyond of martial arts, it open into immortality and Tao. I have been engaged in this cultivation for a few years only, but I feel much inner substantial than before, if you see my recent pictures, and compare them with my old pictures, perhaps you may see the difference.

Well I am quite sure from reading this course that this is the right thing for me to be doing. Taomeow, I suspect that you know everything in this course, but for someone like me who has never cultivated, it is very helpful, with lots of photographs showing how to do everything.

I did karate a long long time ago, just for fitness, likewise I did tai chi just for fitness eight years ago. I stopped with the tai chi class because I was nursing and the practice brought my milk in, which was embarrassing during class! And then kids and life and all... Both of those were concentrating on power and fighting prowess, even the tai chi class was really to get people to sign up for martial arts classes so there was a lot of aerobic exercise and strengthening exercises. This looks very very different, and fits my natural inclinations very well!

Of course I am a complete idiot with all of this, I don't know the first thing about what I am doing. But the book is very reassuring for an absolute beginner.

Thank you for your appraisement!
Actually, now I feel my Internal Cultivation Course shows too much stuff for the beginners, and that is not necessary in the beginning. Therefore, I am working on a simple course now, it introduces Wuji Standing in detail. Wuji Standing is very simple and effective, even if one is a just beginner, and never has any experience in any practice, who can learn Wuji Standing correctly just follow the course without a present teacher. now, the first part of Wuji Standing is available.

Oh yes, I didn't mean to say that there wasn't much to it. I expect it will take me a year to learn to do it all properly, maybe more. But it's helpful that it begins at the beginning and explains everything.

Now I am worried I was insulting. I should say two things, first that Taomeow is very advanced and also I have been here for quite some time and you are the first person who has posted here that within a day I bought your book and started practicing. I am a beginner but I have a good pair of eyes in my head.

"Only $49". That is dinner for my family for 3 days. While I agree his time is worth something, my point was made because I feel it shows a lot about his intent. He is asking people to believe that he has found "secret" & "ancient" Tao cultivation materials while never having met him. Then he invites people to join his group, which says that he wants you to have purchased his materials first. Then he says he thinks he is "duty bound to promote the ancient Tao in the world not only for Chinese." But that information is only available for purchase through a personal email address? And even then it doesn't state what kind of material it is.

You can't see any reason here for someone to feel skeptical? I know for myself, my money has to go as far as possible. I very much cannot afford to invest in things that are a con.

Yet I do not have enough time to introduce our school in English in detail. I am leading a group of Chinese cultivators now, and I have to work for them first. Furthermore, many professional characters in ancient Chinese cultivation field could not find relevant words in English, this is a big problem. So now I just want to tell English people there is such a way opens to Tao, that's enough. Hope more people can learn Chinese well, so that we can exchange ideas of ancient cultivation in Chinese in the future.

Hi Li Jiong,

could you please post a link to your lineage? If it's in Chinese that's all right, I will ask a Chinese friend for help, and if it's in English, even better. Thanks!

try this

http://i.cn.yahoo.com/newyiquan

li jiong, if you don't want that information out let me know and i'll edit the link out

Hi Taomeow,
Here is a link below there is some info about my lineage, it is in Chinese.
http://i.cn.yahoo.com/newyiquan/blog/p_348/

wouldn't tao be against systems or disciplines?

Tao produces everything, it does not against anything.

My goodness, how big is your family!

In my experience con men work a lot differently, there is a harder sell upfront. I think the real deal sounds like this--I say this because I am the real deal in a different realm of knowledge, and I went about telling people very similarly, with a similar flavor. A true evangelist lets the knowledge speak for itself and the sales pitch is "try it for yourself and see."

No problem, mantis.

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