The planet comes into instability period now, before the crucial disasters come, a series of misfortunes will come one by one, how can we survive the coming disasters ?

The same way we did the last time and the time before that.

care to elaborate?

We're here now so we must have survived.
Que sera

mYTHmAKER, I really wonder if that can/will be the case...

Our science is now advancing as a global enterprise, rapidly probing the levels of being ever deeper. Will our understanding and re-imagining of our being, based upon these further truths/modelings converge into the re/fresh/ed maps and skills required to best "survive from the coming disasters"?

Or are these challenging opportunities of forced changes?

artform

Maybe we are already dead and just think we are alive?
Death is not a bad thing - meet it with a smile on your face and maybe it will be too horrified of you and go away.
As for disasters, are you talking about a possibility of an inexperienced woman or a racist black man becoming the president?

There were many civilizations before ours - many with greater knowledge.
They are gone BUT the cycle began again and here we are.
We cannot be here forever. It is the nature of the game.
So be here now - be present and don't let your ego think we can save the world.
Everything is cyclical. There are no exceptions and there never will be.

hmm ... focus on the guideposts and you hit the guideposts

Yes, it is impossible to save the entire world, it is impossible to save all people. But in every cycle, some people survived, and they continued the humanity. Why these individuals could survive? It is not by chance.

i am focused on the tao.

Thanks. That is a reasonable historical/philosophical perspective up to a point, but our science intimately implicates us and our consciousness in the basic fabric of spacetime. Is it reasonable or responsible, or/not egocentric, to detach and observe? Or are we entirely implicated in the event dynamics by our being here now?

BTW, I quite like your signature. More than forty years ago I was meditating and writing poetry about being in time and some of them were also on the beach, along Amlodi's quern.

artform

perhaps karma, luck, went to church on sunday or they did your meditation and tapped into the matrix.
i am not sufficiently enlightened to say.

It was good to see you, brother. I like your signature as well.
Wonder how hard are we going to scream seeing a 1,000 foot tsunami blocking the sun before it hits Manhattan... lol

I jut bought a row boat. It's steadier than a canoe:lol:

I actually just finished typing a warning to some friends that I will share here because you asked Mantis.....


The US fianancial system. A word of caution brothers.

This is very far removed from cultivation, but have you guys been reading the headlines about the major US banks collapsing? Economics was sort of a hobby of mine for years, and I've got to tell you guys this is very serious, and may lead to a complete collapse of the US and even global economic system. These hedge funds and banks take the same dollar and invest it hundreds of times over in financial instruments called derivatives. It can potentially make huge returns for them, but when the investments turn against them they can implode as we are witnessing. All of of these greedy behemoths are so intermingled that if one collapses, they will take down the rest in their wake.

This is exactly what has begun to happen. The 2 massive US mortgage firms Freddie Mac and f*n*y Mae have been taken over/bailed out by the US government. These 2 companies alone guarantee 5 TRILLION in mortgage loans (mostly bad ones that will never be paid back). Bear Stearns collapsed and was bailed out with 25 billion by the US government. Merill Lynch was collapsing and got bought out/bailed out by bank of America for 50 billion. Lehman brothers collapsed in the biggest bankruptcy in history. The latest was AIG which the US government bailed out by giving them an 85 billion dollar loan. The government is also planning to bailout the US auto industry with another 25 billion.

Guys I can't tell you how serious this is. Longterm seeing the entities collapse is good, but short term we may very well be heading for another Great Depression. Yes it can happen again.

What can one do? Not much, but take precautions. If you or your loved ones have funds in the stock market, take them out or move them into something very low risk. Best thing is to buy is tangibles such as gold and silver etc... I would also advise stalking up your cupboards a bit with non perishable food in case things get nasty (beans, rice etc...). Worst case scenario nothing I see coming happens and you are stuck eating them. Also consider buying some multi vitamins as supplements.

Namo Guan Shih Yin Pusa!

Take it or leave it friends, but I don't see a happy ending to this...

Hi Smile

Two response offerings to this quote and your later "...1,000 foot Tsunami to Manhattan..." post:

1. On death: http://www.thetaobums.com/index.php?s=&...ost&p=77446


2. A repeat of thoughts from the parallel thread tonight on Attacment [sic] and Beliefs http://www.thetaobums.com/index.php?act=ST...t=0#entry78835:

<<<Questioning is science and other modes of enquiry, isn't it? That is certainly very much alive currently. Until recently physics thought it was approaching a Grand Unified Theory of everything, until the recent realization that our physics describes about 4% of "reality" or "universe" and the rest is Dark Matter and Dark Energy, about which we can currently only speculate...

Rather like Wall Street... but I digress...

Our consciousness, our *believing*, is directly part of the quantum operations of all being in some way, not that we need to get on an ego trip in any way about that... If we are part of the universe/multiverse achieving some periodic form of self-consciousness, how does this reframe your question Steve?

all the best

artform>>>

So,

3. What role to our Attachments and Beliefs play in our ability to "survive" in these times and events shaped by our fellow sentient actors and nature's whims or responses to our collective actions?

4. Oolong Rabbit, this was generated before I saw you post above. No disrespect is implied toward your practical analysis and very real concern above. Will we be able to come to our senses there too?

all the best to all

artform

。。。。。。

Family & friends, plenty of canned goods, and plenty of ammunition. And remember that nothing lasts forever. (Though you may not live to see it get better.)

Yes, this is just a misfortune before the crucial disasters come. And more and more misfortunes will come.

With this kind of active rapid responses with several participants present simultaneously, do you/we (I'm a newbie here) ever switch over to the Live Chat and teleconverse?

artform

I'll be running toward the wave screaming: "Finally! I won't have to wake up at 6am, take a cold shower and meditate till I have to go to work with my insane boss."


Thank you for sharing, Artform

now we are getting somewhere, try to make a sea faring survival vessel and take to the deep ocean to escape the NWO bio-weapons and madness, but even then Gog and Magog will drink the seas and you'll have the distance advantage. or go to a remote wilderness/(kunlun)mountains and shelter and/or bunker yourself and pray.... ....or use wizardry/nirvana to travel what ever other-dimensional existence/heaven available.

。。。。。。

This thought seems Buddhist trend, Taoists think life is precious.

Yes, submarine is a possible sanctuary.

I think what is being shown to us is the viscous nature of samasara (cyclical existence). This cycle is generated by desire/greed pursuing an object (i.e. the accumulation of wealth for its own sake) which either achieves its aim which fails to satisfy/ or fails to reach its aim - both of which generate anger. In this state a kind a neurotic tension arises which cannot rest.

The energy of this kind of activity is shallow and reactive. It will go through cycles of growth and collapse. At the moment we are in a collapse phase. The energy which sustained the growth of the last few years has reduced and the balloon is deflating. How far it deflates depends on where the energy will find its own balance.

We can take comfort in the fact that this cycling energy cannot disrupt our inner being but obviously we need a certain amount of what Gampopa called "endowment and leisure" in order to practice.

I think in times like this we should try to look to our inner strength, simplify, deal with less and less - and wait knowing that samsara was ever thus.

Am I allowed to say that focusing on immanent "used by dates" is a complete waste of time, an antithesis to taoist principles (the surface of life will always change, adhere to the depths and the roots) and is promoted usually by people who are fear-mongering to promote their own agenda ... that's not being too harsh and pointed is it?

Edit: Add to this also that if you focus on disasters then invariablly that is exactly what you will discover.

The material mind can only look at the challenge in material terms, look to material solutions, and go into fear. But there isn't a material solution, and the challenge is for us to change our consciousness, not to focus on the outer appearance of the problem and try to apply an outer (political) solution.

When something that you thought you needed goes away - access to pure food, your health, your personal sovereignty in so many contexts, it's really a challenge for us to embody those things on a deeper level.

And that's actually why the outer environment is providing those lessons for us now. When there's peace and prosperity and few challenges, we don't grow. So the world is The Matrix, and "bad" things happen, but it depends on how you look at it, same as with disease. You don't sit back and allow it to take over - you fight it - but in fighting it you have a chance to re-evaluate your relationship to that "bad" thing, and extract the higher spiritual meaning of it for you, personally. It becomes a great gift.

The fighting itself is the experience we need to learn to fight not with brute strength but by activating our creative power, which is our source for all the things we expected to get handed to us on a silver platter from the outer world. Now the world isn't making it easy for us anymore, and now we have the opportunity to develop higher consciousness. The outer world is a mirror for us.

-Karen

Agreed. This is actually a very serious topic. People won't be waxing so philosophical when the shyt really hits their fan...

People need to PREPARE now like Noah did. The more self-reliant you are - the less you need to depend upon the Feds to save your azz - the better off you'll be. So, start making your own financial preparations, stock up on some basic supplies, etc. Point is to get stuff on hand now while it's still easily available.

Not as a self-fulfilling prophecy, just good insurance. If you NEVER have to use any of this stuff, GREAT! But if you ever do, you won't be in a desperate mad scramble up shyt creek without a paddy...

I think we should start some good lists here of how to prepare. And the more people who are better-prepared in society, the better. Here's a good start.

fun videos

Li Jiong,

The people who went through the previous chaos that survived were high up in mountains (himalayas, and others above a certain elevation).

I also think that we're headed towards a havoc in the pretty near future.

But who knows what will happen.

Learn the old skills, and the old and new wisdom.

Basic boy scout handbook stuff is always good.

You probably ought to be able to make fire, at least.

I'm not worried about surviving it if it happens. I will or I won't.

I just want to be useful afterwards if I'm still around.

I am not so much concerned for myself, but I am taking precautions for my childrens' sake.

Mountains are on fault lines and can erupt

Are you useful now?

Taking a couple of survival courses may ease your fears some.

Please check out Tom Brown Jr's Tracker School at:


http://www.trackerschool.com


Please note they also offer classes for children.

Important skills taught by really good people.

One day, while walking through the wilderness, a man encountered a vicious tiger. He ran for his life, and the tiger gave chase.

The man came to the edge of a cliff, and the tiger was almost upon him. Having no choice, he held on to a vine with both hands and climbed down.

Halfway down the cliff, the man looked up and saw the tiger at the top, baring its fangs. He looked down and saw another tiger at the bottom, waiting for his arrival and roaring at him. He was caught between the two.

Two rats, one white and one black, showed up on the vine above him. As if he didn't have enough to worry about, they started gnawing on the vine.

He knew that as the rats kept gnawing, they would reach a point when the vine would no longer be able to support his weight. It would break and he would fall. He tried to shoo the rats away, but they kept coming back.

At that moment, he noticed a strawberry growing on the face of the cliff, not far away from him. It looked plump and ripe. Holding onto the vine with one hand and reaching out with the other, he plucked it.

With a tiger above, another below, and two rats continuing to gnaw on his vine, the man enjoyed the finest, juiciest, sweetest meal of his life.

You got it

How do you all know there are disasters coming?

Everyone knows it for a fact. Where have you been

we'll see if you all are still talking philosophical babble when shit starts going crazy

kids.




you have no idea the madness some of us have seen.

One thing humans are good at is adapting. Adapting to the changes in our external environment. We have survived at least one ice age and perhaps a switching of the poles too.... Can't quite remember.

Anyhow, how can we survive?!? It depends what you mean by "we". Many will die if disasters hit us as hard and as fast as some thing. Water wars, mass migrations, economic collapse. This means that the darkest characteristics of humanity will arise as well as the best. Vigilantes and gangs will conflict. Governments will either need to respond to rapid change or crumble. Those worried about the financial storm that may appear should get their priorities straight, and instead of worrying about mortgages and job security - worry about food.

While some may await these events and fear the worst, I personally choose to help the Earth to heal as that is all I can do for now. She is our mother after all. My peace and blessings to you, Miai.

If the floods come, seek high ground.

If drought comes, seek water.

If the fires come, seek shelter.

Head North to avoid the growing deserts.

The Emporer faces South.

Yours humbly,
James

P.S. Li Jiong, Buddhists think human life is precious too. They just accept death is inevitable.

way to inflate your ego there, age has nothing to do with it

you're right.

but maturity and life experience DOES!



your glib comments get thrown around this board so often, i figured it was about time i said something. you didn't use to be this way.

and yeah, i feel so much more powerful for my comment to you!

hakkespettboken er ikke å forakte.

having lived a longer life doesn't mean it has been filled with more tragedy; it was an ignorant comment.

http://www.wikidoc.org/index.php/Nicholas_Culpeper


http://cryptogon.com/?p=4152



http://www.survivalistseeds.com/uploads/Patriot.wmv

... eh?

You young pups have it so easy you see a hang nail and think amputation and imminent death.

Our grandparents survived the great depression, nationwide bank failures and bank runs, stagflation, massive unemployment, half of them saw currency become worthless.

They survived world wars which killed 10's of million and the aftermath that is responsible for even more. They lived through pandemics that killed 100's of thousand and really bad ones that killed millions in few months.

There lifetime saw various disasters that each killed 100,000 plus in hours.


IMHO we scare so easily because we don't know our history and we don't know bad.

How do we survive the coming disasters? Ask your grandparents or anyone of there generation, they'll tell you.


Michael

I do think this topic is about more than just financial disasters. Regardless, I couldn't agree more. There's a reason terms such as "follow your heart" and "be your self" are common turns of phrase...

Ancestry is more important than many believe.

As someone already mentioned on this forum, "There is nothing new under the Sun."

Most humble,
James