Considering that people are not familiar with Xuanji system, now we offer a 30 days free trial program, if one practices earnestly, a month is quite enough to get something. Your risk is free now.

There is a topic about the program in Great Tao Forum, if you are interested in taking this program, please post an application there.

Hello,thats a good offer.I only do meditaion now and will continue with that.But I was wondereing what you have achieved with this system.Have you opened up your micro cosmic orbit and can you do full body breathing condensing chi into the whole body for exeple?

If you do a wee search, you can find out a lot about LiJiong.

1. Qi bourgeon inside and outside;
2. The Small Heavenly Orbit (He Che) gotten through;
3. Xuanguan (the mystical entrance) come into being;
4. Ji bourgeon inside and outside;
5. The great Heavenly Orbit runs;
6. Qi channels and points disappear, the sphere-heavens Taiji (your own small Xuanji Matrix) comes into being;
7. Your Spiritual baby (Yang Shen) appears;
8. The Spiritual baby (Yang Shen) leaves your body;

I have experienced all these personally.

Li Jiong,

Does the free trial come with a stick and a jar of Nutella? Or does one buy that separately?




Peace

Santiago

These are good things but not Exclusive to your system. A lot of folks have them & have actually experienced this.

Unfortunately, I don't think what you said is a fact, and I also don't think you are an honest man, that's why I would not like to answer your questions.

Really?

You think I am a dishonest man?

How so?

Anyone who actually knows me on this list would say differently.

I am not the one who lies to people about their system nor make CLAIMS that I and or my system is the "only" one that has the bread & butter or that we are the next best thing to sliced bread.

You have just added yourself an extra spread of nutella to your shorts in my book

Back your stuff Up....

I am here when you are ready to do so to see that you are infact the "Golden Immortal" one.

Internally or externally.

God Bless you.

Santiago Dobles

Li Jiong,

I think you should be upfront by explaining exactly the conditions of your program. What happens after the 30 days free trial? Or it would sound a very commercial venture.


I believe that making money out the spiritual is wrong. In fact all teachings of the Buddha are free. Now, society has changed and there is more pressure to own and possess (and even pay bills and have a decent job) due to the karmic conditions developed after the industrial revolution. OK then charging would be somehow acceptable but one must be clear about it without hiding anything to avoid the creation of bad karma. And, honestly, our astral plane has plenty of it.


Regards.

I am the only one feeling that some people use desperate peoplesl wish to learn as an esay way to make money?I find it comic how some in this forum easily talk to some of the self claimed masters as gods
sorry for my english.I wish you the best,but many of you should learn to understand that there is not so many secret methods.it is just an easy way for some peolpe to make money.There is no secret just stop the mind.but it need some training.

After practice for some days, if you think this is just the way you want to take, you can go on the study by paying for the lifetime membership fee and the course; if you think this way is not suitable for you after the trial, you can leave without any payment.

As for "the creation of bad karma", if you cannot achieve a high level of internal cultivation before the disasters come, you will die in the disasters surely, all your wealth or position are devoid of meaning that time. So actually, your karma won't be worse even if you do not pay for the course after the 30 days free trial, you will just lose a chance to survive.

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I see a man who has trained hard for over 20 years and reached a certain level of attainment. This is dedication.

I see a man who wants to share his teachings and guide others with his experience. This is compassion.

I see a man who has the courage to stand up for himself, knowing full well many of the bums will question him intensively. This is integrity.

The concern many have is understandable. It fits rather well together doesn't it... impending doom, Li Jiong's Daoist matrix, a small fee for potential salvation...

However, he believes in the disasters and is kind enough to inform us about them. From the money he makes, he is saving to keep his family safe during the years ahead. He openly offered a 30 day trial for those of us who doubted him.

I see no fraudster here, a misguided individual maybe - these confrontations are meaningless.

Yours humbly,
James

It does seem a little unfair.

People have been banned for criticizing Max and the Kunlun seminars, which are also something that must be paid for.

I haven't bought Li Jiong's program or even done the free trial, but it doesn't seem so bad, it's a complete system with online support that you can do from home and no need to travel or pay extra for additional practices- right?

some real sincerity... i bow to you

peace

Thanks for the understanding, James, you are a genuine gentleman.

I would like my money back. I asked you to refund my fee within an hour of purchasing your standing meditation course. You refused. Now that you are offering the trial, I would certainly be one who would not purchase the course after seeing the content.

You talk of karma. I suggest it is not good karma for you to continue to refuse my request for a refund under these circumstances.

You are not honest, you said you knew everything of the course, but actually, the "Wuxing hidden strength" never published before, so I think you are a troublemaker, whatever how you threaten me, I will never surrender.

How exactly does internal cultivation save one from the coming disasters? I would think physical location would be far more important.

Probably easiest in the long run to just refund his money Li Jiong

How much is it he owes you?

I will send you the money.

Santiago

I don't know the exact scene yet, but I know if you can live without food for a few months, your chance to survive will be much higher than ordinary ones; or go further, if you can get into Wuji, nothing can hurt you.

I don't understand what you are trying to say here in public. Disasters. end of the world, wealth or position, losing a chance to survive...All of this is empty...mind creations...who cares. Your Buddha nature is indestructible, eternal, it moves in par with the wheel of karma until one day whe karmic conditions are right...bum! You realise it and reach Nirvana.

The rest is meaningless.

Chi and all that energy stuff is excellent to maintain good health and nourish your higher energy centres, but that alone won't lead you to enlightenment. The missing factors are sila (wisdom) and prajna (morality) assuming that you cultivate chi using samadhi (meditation).


I repeat again, there is nothing wrong with charging $ (I wouldn't do it) as long as the teacher is upfront.


I hope you are not offended with my words.


Namaste.





Edit: misspelled a word

Surrender? calm down man, this is about your business pratices.

I think other poepole considering purchasing your course should know about this. You are certainly entitled to basically advertise your products for sale on this site (I suppose) but you should also realize that user feedback will definitely happen. You may think of this a "free market karma". If you have happy customers word of mouth will help you, and the other way as well.

And I am honest. Please do not insult me like that. I paid for your course but was not happy with it. I feel a fool for having paid $72 for your course on wuji standing and access to your teaching website. I found your website to have no real information on the practice but just another "opportunity" to purchase more courses.

The title "wuji standing" is what caught my interest. I have found one of the best intorductions to standing in the book "Taijiquan; the art of nuturing, the science of power" by Yang Yang. But his instruction was brief, because the book is mostly about taiji. So I was looking for more information on the subject. I have been doing standing regularly for over a year now and I am truely interested in some new information or teaching on this subject.

The value of the download course is suspect. Out of a 14 page document there is less than 4 pages of text explaining the instruction. It is all basic and easily found in other sources except for about a half page (5 or 6 sentences) that describe things like "... suggests ....send out a hidden force toward outside....." and there is no real instruction or development excercises or description or any elaboration. All you get is a suggestion to have your intention lead a hidden force.

So that is basically all I found to be new material. There are two photographs of the basic standing posture and 6 pages with basically nothing but graphics or art. So it seems this document was filled up with stuff to make it look like it contains more than it does. A 4Mb pdf file that is mostly text would have many more pages of text.


So this is my complaint. Very little value is offered for the payment recieved.

In good faith I paid up front without seeing the content. I am unhappy with the value of the content. I asked for my money back. You refuse.

You continue to try and lure others to purchase your course, get access to your website, and buy more courses.

In the free market, word of mouth will spread and you will be able to fool fewer people.

How about a refund? That is the honorable thing to do. In fact, doing that would put to rest any possible questions about your character or intention. It is quite simple really. Then this all would turn out quite good for you. You would demonstrate that you truely are an honorable man. That is another part of free market karma.

Whatever in Chinese boards or in English boards, I am never short of critices, I do not mind to add one more.
Making trouble just will spread my influence, it is not bad.
Wise individuals can separate wheat from chaff by themselves, I never worry about any slander.

Well you are certainly getting your share of the 'air time', I'm not quite sure that this is the 'marketing buzz' you are looking for. But I guess as they say, "Everyone gets what they want from the market."

*shrugs*

I signed up for the 30 day free trial from LiJiong and started to practice the wuji standing. I have practiced Nei Kung and standing for several years so I wanted to see what he had to offer. An interesting thing happened is that even before I received permission to download the course that I started to feel an inner heat come over me. I read on LiJiong's website that when you connect to the Xuanji Matrix that one of the most common things one will feel is to feel warm or hot. I thought after experiencing this, that what he is teaching must be authentic so I started practicing it. I hadn't felt that inner heat before while doing standing. I also purchased his two other courses. The second course deals with bagua which I like doing after the wuji standing. LiJiong may come across too strong for some people on this forum but you may like to try the 30 day free trial to see if you can connect with what he is teaching. Craig

So, does the price of your course buy a ticket to your 'Noah's Ark' when the floods come ?

That's very generous of you but I don't think that is the point here.

Li Jiong How much practice time do you need for this method?

I'm interested in everything, but I don't feel a strong "calling" towards this method. Personally connecting to the "Xuanji Matrix" puts me off a bit. Since I would not be able to give more than 30 min an evening to this practice I'm thinking it's probably not for me.

But good to hear reports of success.

Thank you for your honest verification, Craig!
As I said somewhere before, Xuanji Matrix has its own spirituality, it will choose the proper ones to connect with by itself. If one's heart is not good enough, if one is dishonest, he/she will never be connected with Xuanji Matrix, even if he/she got my course.

(robotic voice) . resistance is futlie. you are connected anyway. the machines are rising.



well if you feel you are right why dont you put his ebook on the internet and provide the link. that will be a just retribution.

Three necessary conditions for connecting with Xuanji Matrix

1.Open mind
If you cannot accept new knowledge, and do not believe Xuanji Matrix at all, it will not connect with you absolutely.
2.Wide heart
If the capability of your heart is too small, the energy that you can accommodate will be very little, Xuanji Matrix will not connect with you too. That's why we insist great De (merits and virtues, good heart) in Internal Cultivation all along.
3.Get permission from Xuanji School
Xuanji Matrix has its own spirituality, but it is still run by Xuanji School. If you have not gotten a permission from Xuanji School, you will not be connected with Xuanji Matrix of course.

So, if you take this free trial program, you will get a permission from Xuanji School temporarily, but we cannot guarantee you will certain connect with Xuanji Matrix, there are two necessary conditions rest with you. So, it is also a trial to know whether your mind is open or not, and whether your heart is good enough or not.

Now that, Li Jiong, sounds like a challenge I cannot refuse.

When my financial situation has rectified, I shall give it a whirl

Yours humbly,
James

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You are always welcome, James!
I know the economic situation is hard now, and it will not be rectified very soon. I can offer an undated free trial for you, you can pay whenever your financial situation has rectified, I trust you.

haha, darn that Skynet. Although I have this nifty red pill for matrix problems if you are interested



Thanks for the extra info Li Jong. I definitely believe in this sort of stuff. But it’s not what I’m looking for at the moment.

As always, I respect everybody's free will.

A Chinese guy did this before, a few months later, he posted some insane messages on a forum, and then disappeared from internet. I don't know what happened for him.

Maybe the 'karma police' have him

I posted my critique of the facts of this guys course for the benefit of those on this board who will listen. If I had seen a post like the one I just posted I would not have purchased the course. So if after the warning, if you proceed it is at your own risk.

Furthermore, I found no improvement in my standing during the time after I purchased the course. To think that by spending money for admission to a user group website with no real information and getting a pdf file full of fluff that your practice will improve is soft headed. Who knows of any real master who will teach his tradition for a fee on the internet without even meeting the student? This is crazy. Isn't the tradition that you have to be accepted as a student?

I thought I was purchasing a course with material in the large pdf file. It was full of pictures to make it look like it contained more information than it did. I wasn't interested in on line teaching from someone I have never met, and who seems more and more superstitious the more he posts. It turned out that his "course" is just not very worthwhile.

If anyone has questions about the content course go ahead and ask and I will answer with direct quotes from the course. Call it "scholarly review".

This guy is after money first and formost.

He is now claiming that if you do not become a happy follower of his that you do not have an open heart or mind. Sound familiar? How many true spiritual teachers are in it for the money first, then become extermely defensive when anyone disagrees with them or questions them?

To become agitated so easily is not the sign of one who is close to attaining the dao.
Is not maintaining a calm mind and heart just part of the basic practice?

All you tao bums should be careful of this guy.

Well, you can try, good luck!

if only. but no, much worse befell those who do not pay for Li Jong's courses....MATRIX GOT THEM!!!!!!! be afraid be very afraid....

Li Jiong
I for one think the right - dharmic thing to do is to give Rookie his money back.

Wow. Nice veiled threat.

You know, I just have to ask. Has this become your personal advertising spot to try and rip people off or what? You talk about you don't do charity, your family is charitable to you; how you are doing all this to buy things to save your family and friends; it's your "duty" to share the Tao with the world not just the chinese; that your course is so pricey not for the book, but for becoming one in the Matrix; that only a select few can actually connect to this Matrix. Can't you just get the hell out of here? You seriously make me want to track down where you are from and report you for fraudulent business practices. It is seriously screwed up for you to be trying to fleece people here; where people with a real interest in the Tao come. All of your own statements make you a liar and a fraud.

Exactly Mister "Honesty" Li Jiong You should give the guy his $ back.

If not I will give it to him on your behave and make you owe me the Karma : )

if you where true to Tao you would give him his $ back.

But since you are not you might end up in a Matrix you do not want to deal with.


P.s by the way half the stuff you list I have gone through and more so do not try to CON people on this list. It wont fly well with those that really know.

You still never answered my questions from before about Cultivation methods of masters such as "Muhammad p.b.u.h."..

I am still waiting if you have the balls to answer.

Peace be upon you.

Santiago

Exactly, it wont. And this is what sends alarm bells ringing for me: this is a way to get $$ out of those who dont yet really know. ie Exploiting newcomers to the tao.

Give him his money back, LiJiong and stop with the threats and the unfounded superiority complex.

Yeah do it now! By the way do you understand that Tao Bums is the most read forum on www and by now what you did to rookie is known to hundreds? Your business has been already shot down mister. I doubt if Wuji can save you from this disaster

Perhaps I will lose some money, but you guys will lose the future. It seems you guys are still not alert from the financial collapse, ok, let's wait and see.