Hey guys, I was looking for a little help here with the yin and yang energy in the body.

I mean what does each one feel like, what makes you differentiate between the two in your body??

And can someone tell me an exercise to practice or learn to feel each yin and yang separately, so then later I can try to combine them successfully into some new powers, whatever they may be.

So if you have some experience and know how to help please do so =) thank you

oh and I'd like to ask one more thing here, having tried to have an OBE I felt really strong vibrations, i kept calm, but didnt know what to do, eventually I opened my eyes since it was the best i could come up with =/ , vibrations stopped, I regret having opened them at that moment to this day v_v . So yeah if you have any thoughts on that as well please share =)

thanks =D

Heya B, after a period of quiet breathing, try and feel the difference between the left side of the body and the right side. The left side is often considered Yin and the right Yang.

Blessings,

Thanks Stigweard, I will give that a try. though I thought the yin and yang would divided between upper and lower body and not left and right. Well thats what I gathered from the John Chang video anyway, did I misinterpret it somehow?

And blessings to you too =)

don't try to learn john chang's method from his videos

No mistake ... you can also diferentiate in this way as well as front and back. I was just giving you something to work with.

Ok cool, thanks =) left and right does seems a lot easier to differentiate between

And mantis I can't really learn changs method from his video cause he never showed how he trains, unfortunately =( . I was just referring to his description of where his yin and yang come from.
And why would you warn me against trying mr changs method from the video? is it dangerous? and can you tell me the safe way to go about it?

the mo pai training methods are secret and yes, according to a number of its past practitioners it is dangerous and apparently someone even died because of it.

Thanks for the concern, but at the level I am I doubt I have the power to really damage anything yet, I guess thats a good thing as well as a bad thing

My suggestion is to let "power" to the electrical company and just sit quiet

YM

Hey if you wanna help the people around you you gotta have some power
So if people here can maybe help me find the best path to it how can i just sit quiet?

Be willing to help people is certainly a good thing, but to do that one has to first help oneself: a sick doctor can hardly heal a patient.

To heal a patient a doctor does not need any *power*: he needs wisdom, compassion and knowledge of his specialty.

All doctors with *power* do not heal or treat patients, they are politicians.

YM

I m not a doctor or a surgeon dude
I m not wishing for power to hurt anyone either, things I'd like to have some power for would be
To help others discover they have this kinda potential too
To show others this is real and deserves some looking into
Help keep me keep my energy balanced and other too
Basically bring myself and other I meet a new understanding of reality

I believe I have sufficient "wisdom, compassion" so all I'm missing is "knowledge of his specialty"
Thats why I am here =)

I train all day every day, but if I'm not doing it right you could say I'm wasting time, time most don't have in modern day society.

thanks for sharing anyway

Hi Meghna -- that's awesome practice. The eyes focus the energy but it's not necessary to move them with the small universe practice. The visualization is with the inner eye and the stillness is more like the inner ear. Anyway you'll notice on the new http://springforestqigong.com website that only one of the "master healers" is a male while the rest (maybe 6) are females. Traditionally the healers were males but the energy originates as what I call "female formless awareness." So in modern society where males are backward (patriarchal) the females are actually the better healers.

In contrast Cloud Tiger asked me if I had checked out Dr. Lin yet -- he's a Taoist physicist turned sex energy master. The secret for the male is to learn the internal climax which females already have. Dr. Lin focuses on what he calls something like "anal breathing" haha. He says that if males do the internal climax but then the urine is all foamy this means that the sex fluid is going back into the prostate, instead of up the back channel.

Last night I woke up to almost losing my alchemical pill but luckily I reverse breathed strong enough where the full climax was internal. Then, as I expected, I heard the old man I live with leave the bathroom (which is about 5 feet from the head, on the other side of a thin wall). He, unfortunately, has a bad habit of jerking off at night when he thinks no one can notice but in fact he sucks off my energy, pulling it back down to the male ejaculation level. That's why I sleep with my head faced toward the bathroom instead of my feet -- this at least slows down the direction of the energy loss a bit. If I'm in full-lotus when he does his thing then he just sucks the energy out of my third eye and my legs lock in the lower chakras so that I can reverse his attempt to convert my electrochemical energy back into fluid. But this morning when I pissed it was all foamy showing that without the full-lotus my internal climax is still not strong enough. haha.

Anyway enough is enough so I listened to the Bushmen c.d. when I woke up -- sitting in full-lotus for an hour -- while the trance dancers sang their exorcism of the dead spirits. Then I ate a can of spinach and a tin of sardines with a few cloves of garlic. Anyway when I left to go to my bike the old man was getting out of his car to go back into the house. So I said very loudly, knowing that people talking outside can be heard by those in their houses: "Hey Jerry do you think you can stop masturbating in the bathroom at night, it's a bit annoying." I didn't wait for an answer because he's in psychological denial as it is. That's why there has to be a public confrontation. I just rode off on my bike. haha. I stopped talking to him maybe 6 months ago because of him abusing his bathroom use so to speak and the last time I spoke to him the only thing I said was: Jerk-off.

The STILLNESS enables the energy to recharge or retune itself and in stillness all energy is balanced back to its source as female formless awareness which then creates light and then electromagnetic force and then electrochemical bliss. So the "rubberband" sensation you describe Meghna is the conversion of the electrochemical energy into electromagnetic energy and is a very good sign.

You can achieve great healing power from any number of other methods, qigong, reiki, etc. The Mo Pai training is misunderstood due to the amount of secrecy involved and then when you do hear about it it's from a book or 2 or from someone who 'thinks' they know what they are talking about. The Mo Pai isnt anymore dangerous than anyother method out there. The shrouded secrecy and mystery around it seems to give it positive and negative attention. The method is very simple in the beginning and can work for anyone who can follow simple instructions. Dont dwell on yin and yang right now however.

Thanks for letting me know, though with some of the other methods out there I see so many trying to sell you something that I guess I kinda lose faith in them.
John Chang though seems like an amazingly nice person who would not lie about his power or practice, which makes it seem more appealing and authentic, well to me anyway.

And you say the method is simple, but can you perhaps point me in the right direction so I can find it please? or post it here =)

And what do you mean by not dwelling in yin and yang for now? You saying I wont need this kinda understanding until later?

You never post trade secrets Concerning yin and yang, you cannot have one without the other. You will cultivate both just by your method of cultivation. However, what you feel first will be yang, not saying you wont ever feel yin, you just not need to concern yourself with yin right now, or even yang for that matter. I know that sounds a little odd and contradicting but in the beginning you should use the KISS method, Keep It Simple, Stupid. People want to draw things out and make everything complicated when it doesnt have to be, because it isnt. The only time it can get a little complicated is in the later stages but in the beginning, simple. Dont listen to anyone who says it's dangerous to train this way or that either, unless you train under power lines. Your body has a built in survival mode ok, unless something is wrong with your body, any blockages will dissapate and your chi is regulated constantly just on its own. There are many many myths about chi kung and nei kung. There are many myths surrounding nei kung and Sifu Chang aswell.


I'm not saying that you wont ever get in trouble and need a healer, I'm simply saying that that will be in an extreme situation that's not at all normal.

Thanks for clearing that up for me MPway, I'll be sure to use KISS method for now
And dont worry the danger doesnt really scare me, not at this stage anyway =) And no power-lines above me either so it's all good

Feet (especially) and hands= yin
Head=full of ideas and nonsense (hahaha)...yang
Front of body = yin
Back of body = yang
Inner part of legs, arms and torso= yin
Outer part of the above = yang
External part of body = yin
Internal part of body = yang

Internal organs are classified according to this distinction as well, but to feel this you must be a very advanced spiritual practitioner (monk/yogi). Here they are:

- Liver, heart, spleen, lungs and kidneys (yin).
- Gall bladder, stomach, small intestine, large intestine, bladder and triple burner/sanjiao (yang).


Yin feels soft and cold.
Yang feels hard and hot.

Balonyx, talking about and actually feeling inside is a big difference. Turn inward and start feeling i would say, be aware of your body's energy. Do this daily for over a decade and you should be able to differentiate. I didnt say control yet hé, differentiate.

Kind regards and good luck.

I actually believe both can be true at the same time.
it can be dangerous and not dangerous at all at the same time.
Kind of weird huh?

If you're responding specifically about the Mo Pai then you are definitely of course. The only danger involved is in the advanced levels but by then you know what you're doing so it's no more dangerous than a trained carpenter hanging drywall or framing a door. I'm not sure I understand why anyone would ever think that any kind of training would actually be dangerous.

There has been a few posts on various threads here that the mopai teachings are dangerous to try etc. Because of the surrounding secrecy of the mopai practices, any guy can come on here and post stuff about it sounding authorative and nobody would know any different. Unfortunately we all end up believing what we are told.

My guess is that it's a form of control. They were probably asking for money aswell. If you sit down and think about it, using common sense, what can you think of that can possibly be dangerous in ANY meditation? I dont want any weird mystical answers from anybody. Your body, unless injured, knows what to do when in trouble. Physically and metaphysically. Take hypothermia for example, your body shuts down other organs to conserve energy and heat. Your body know what to do. No danger. For those who actually know the Mo Pai levels, there is no danger.

why don't you all just accept that the mo pai door is closed? even if jim teaches you level 1 or 2 that's all you'll ever get, level 1 or 2 (which isn't much in terms of spiritual evolution).

Well last night I had this amazing hour long O at a D session through a wall. I had already been in full-lotus for an hour and then took another hour to convert all the female jing I took in to make sure it didn't turn back into generative fluid during sleep (and instead turn it into chi before sleep). So I go to sleep around 2 a.m. with the Pygmy trance music still going at low volume. I wake up to this amazing flying dream but in fact it was a sled dog dream with my ex-girlfriend who had her birthday yesterday. The friend I talked to yesterday subconsciously reminded me of her. Anyway we were flying with the sled dogs as we had done in Alaska almost 20 years ago but the speed of when we hit the trail was in time with the fast pulsations of the Pymgy 8 per second rhythm. My brain was entrained with the trance music -- even in sleep! So I went back into full-lotus as the jing was still strong and the kidney channels peak around that time in the morning -- I had to convert that throbbing back into chi again. haha.

Well hey there Jah Nigga, how are you? It's very ignorant to make assumptions, as they saying goes, and I know you know it very well, you make an ASS out of U and ME. I can make this assumption with 100% accuracy, someone named Jah Nigga has never even had any experience or contact with anyone of the Mo Pai. There are reasons for things being said and done a certain way, one reason is to keep people like yourself from making any contact with Sifu. I'm not psychic but neither are you seeing as how far off you are but I can say with confidence that you are young and with your specific immaturity comes ignorance. Nice chatting you JN

i spoke with jim a few times until he told me he wanted money for the teachings, at which point in time i said no. there are also people on this forum that DO have experience with the mo pai and say it's a dead path, so no, only you seem to be making an ass out of yourself.

here's an excerpt from one of my emails



sticking to one practice for ten years isn't something everyone can or will do; not to mention there are other paths that produce results much faster. also, note that he said there are certain signs you must look for, if you aren't meeting with a teacher in person this type of training is pointless.

Jah Nigga...I can only hope that you grow out of your ignorance. I'm guessing that you are what 18 or 19? Not meaning it as an insult against all young children but it's just obvious. Jah Nigga, if I were to say the sky is brown with a rainbow flowing through it would you believe me? What if other people who decided to hop on here after reading that the sky is brown with a rainbow through it and thinking that it's cool they decided to talk falsely about it and say that it was indeed brown with a rainbow going through it? Would you really believe such nonsense? I'd certainly hope not. Do yourself a favor and only speak on things that you KNOW. The school is most definitely closed, to egotistical idiots. That was the problem with, specifically, us americans is that we, as a bunch, are cocky and have bloated egos and think we should receive everything. Like having your mother tuck you into bed and reading a nice tale and pulling the covers up to your cozy little neck. We as a whole are spoiled and that shows. We want and demand everything so why would someone who knows and sees the negative in almost every westerner he meets want to teach westerners? For that matter why would he want to teach anyone seeing as how most people nowadays have egos? He wouldnt and for the most part he doesnt. Is it closed? Yes and no. Jah Nigga maybe you should cough up a plane ticket and hunt him down for yourself and ask him over some nice chat and tea>

hello MPWay,

my age is publicly displayed on this forum, i don't know why you'd want to assume.

what nonsense am i believing? i corresponded directly with jim himself, the only person who is openly teaching us westerners. i really have no idea what you're talking about in that barely coherent wall of text you posted but it still remains, john chang doesn't want to be bothered.

peace

What paths would those be?

*is curious*

A man of good heart and will is a man that bothers noone. I guarantee you that if you of good heart, mind and intention, the doors are never closed.

longmen pai?

Ha! your stupid-ass (like mine) comments are barely worth reading! Haven't heard of BIGU apparently? Try Chemistry Professor RUSTOM ROY -- he did an academic conference on dry fasting. http://springforestqigong.com -- Chunyi Lin, from whom I took classes, spent a month in a cave -- sitting in full-lotus the whole time, taking NO WATER, NO FOOD and NO SLEEP. So you've just proven how idiotic westerners are haven't you! And flies? I've been playing with one for the past half hour -- animals are attracted to the electromagnetic energy but the fly reaction time is 12 times faster than a humans: one 50th of a second compared to one 4th of a second. Qigong master Chunyi Lin can just use his energy field to keep insects away from him or anyone around him. HA! Don't believe it? Well Qigong master Chunyi Lin just coauthored a chapter for the Mayo Clinic complementary medicine textbook, along with oncologist dr. Nisha Manek.

I'll tell you how it works from experience since you're obviously under the position that you are totally oblivious to what I'm talking about: The pineal gland, once magnetized, can create water through some sort of reverse electrolysis. So the water flows down through the roof of the mouth, created from the atmosphere as ambient energy.

It's not that the energy is practical but it's that the energy is the secret to the truth of reality, whereas Michio Kaku relies on the wrong logical paradigm.

Oops just killed that fly, sorry folks.

Would that be the same Longmen Pai discussed in this thread?

yes

If you are really serious about learning yin and yang differentiation, start building your foundations up. When i first started serious meditation I was doing a lot of stake exercise, and keeping the mind clear. I would meditate standing for 1 hr minimum everyday+ other things. I'm not of advanced age, but its sort of the exercises where lot of experts start.

As for meditation techniques being dangerous, i have heard of people who have had severe malfunctions, esp when they start too young. We all really don't know enough about the intricacies, but be brave and try and be logical.

Goodluck

Oh yeah well my friend's uncle's cousin's sister's cousin's uncle's knows about this one guy who had his head explode while doing QIGONG!!!! Haha, ok I guess qigong, using qigong sinces it's the fad now, can be dangerous. Doing qigong in the middle of an African Safari or in a bear cave in the middle of summer, or maybe underwater in the ocean after youve just cut yourself, or of course DONT PRACTICE IN THE ROAD!!! Traffic is a big no no!!! Dont do qigong after eating 2 pieces of bread, one and a half slice of cheese and three slices of thick cut turkey with a teaspoon of light mayo and mustard either, the combination throws your chi off and your body will literally fall apart.

that's probably why the mo pai is closed to westerners

I keep hearing about "Longmen pai". Im curious to know at which point the everyday dragon gate sect (an old branch of the quanzhen school) who's teachings are relatively accessible became the mysterious "Longmen Pai" - an ancient esoteric sounding mystical art, (supposedly) headed by the infamous Wang Liping!

The mo pai is as closed to westerners as anything else. Have you seen the sign in an establishment that says "We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone"? Same applies to the mo pai. I made that comment out of sarchasm. The point is that IT'S AS DANGEROUS AS YOUR MIND PERCEIVES IT. It's not dangerous. I make this statement over and over and over. Old, 80 yr old people who have never done anything like qigong or yoga, etc, start training in this all the time AND ARE FINE! Is it because old people are more invincible than us younger people? No. It's because the danger is a myth. A myth to keep the student teacher relationship open. The only teacher you need is openmindedness. Open your mind and you can gain in leaps and bounds. The problem is that society puts this whole block in your eyes and mind so that you think what youre seeing is real when in reality it isnt. Running a marathon in the arctic in shorts only isnt reality to most people but to a certain tummo practitioner its his reality. Take that shit out of your eyes. The only danger is ignorance and you my friend are a walking time bomb.

I am curious about why some people maintain that some practices are dangerous. If I understand it correctly Mo Pai is not the only tradition that has restricted access because it's supposedly dangerous. From what I was told Bruce K. Frantzis also restricts a lot because putting it on DVDs or books does not provide enough safeguards for people attempting on their own.

I'm not sure if that's true or not. It's only just what I heard. I take the attitude that somewhere, somebody - probably a lot of somebodies individually at different times and places - discovered these assorted practices, etc all on their own. My guess is they did it just by paying attention and letting the Chi, Shen or whatever else they were discovering 'go it's own way' so to speak. Then they just took note of the results. And maybe - like a researcher - tried changing one thing. Presto...another Qi Gong method or Meditation practice or whatnot is born. Perhaps it's similar to what Shamans did (and maybe still do) in traditional clans and tribes.

That's what I've been trying to do. While I am practicing Frantzis's and Lam's Standing and Dissolving method and Frantzis Breathing Meditation steps there are times when I just take the attitude of a curious bystander. I start by noticing where ever the Chi seems most noticeable then keep my attention on it and kind of sit back and see what it decides to do or even if it decides to do anything at all.

I did this today and noticed something I've never noticed before. It's like there are 2 separate Chi's in me - if that makes any sense.

The Chi down my back feels whispy, very cool, gentle, ghostlike. The Chi down my front I feel much more strongly. It feels hot, more 'in your face' and active. Very weird.

I would sit here and say maybe my Chi let me feel it's Yin and Yang aspects except what I felt is the opposite of what I read in this thread! Supposedly Yang is down the back and Yin down the front. That's not what I felt. Very odd. Of course I still have many problems from my back injury so perhaps that's why it feels so mixed up. Go figure...

Why is that???

Long = Dragon

Men = Gate

Pai = School

Mystery = Zero.

Actually, you're close... only the one important part you've left out is that, centuries ago, there was one head researcher and a series of extremely willing "disciples" (Guinea Pigs?) all working in the way you've described above. When the head researcher got an idea regarding a new cultivation possibility he would have one of the disciples try it. This often ended up killing the disciple. Notes would be made, and things would carry on in the same fashion until the possibilities were exhausted, and a map was created. This ended up costing 100s of lives and taking a long-assed time.

There are areas in your body which, if flooded with Qi, will literally end your life.

I don't care who doesn't believe what I'm saying as they sit in their armchair, anyone can do the research themselves; as this sort of thing has been documented and is not any sort of big secret (short of the hows and whys of the related deaths - I don't believe that we're privy to the coroner's reports).

On a related note, all of this talk about the body having some natural defence and "emergency mode" is totally ridiculous. If it did then why do people die from cancer? Or die from ANYTHING? Your own mind plays an enormous role in how healthy you are, and how healthy you remain. If you cultivate, and raise your awareness to unreal levels then yes, you probably will have the ability to notice what's going on in your body and foresee the results, thus avoiding those negative influences which cause you disease in the first place. THAT is your defence mode.... you learn to be your own night watchman.

I also hope that that comment above, questioning why we shouldn't try to learn MoPai from John Chang's uh.. "videos", isn't serious. Unless there's been some MoPai blackbeltseminarDVDcertification video that's recently dropped of which I am not aware ? If so, I will gladly stand unabashedly corrected.

hi drew, a question, do you know how easy or difficult (more or less) is it to magnetize the pineal?